BAWTREE

[messers]

Hi

I am looking for information on Octavius BAWTREE (abt 1831) and Charlotte June EVANS (1853 - 1893). And D. BAWTREE of Killnstyle, Elmstead, Colchester, Essex married to B. BAWTREE.

Thanks

Michelle

[Pam Downes]

Hi Michelle,
Same question as in your Postle/Bawtree thread - do you already have Octavius and Charlotte (who I presume is his wife) on the census? And if so, what other information are you looking for?

And do you have any dates for the D Bawtree and the B Bawtree? Even approximate ones are a help.
Pam

[Sue Mackay]

Don't know whether you made a typo but the GRO marriage index seems to have the marriage of Octavius Bawtree to Charlotte Jane Evans in Colchester RD, September qtr 1873 Volume 4a page 428.

Aha! I see the 1881 census on Ancestry has en entry indexed as Charlotte June Bawtree.

RG11; Piece: 1787; Folio: 36; Page: 20

for West Lodge, West Lodge Road Colchester.

When you look at the actual image the entry has been scored across and there is a note with a reference to a Registrar's Letter that the entry has been transferred to ED 15.

This is at RG11; Piece: 1789; Folio: 15; Page: 24 and refers to the same address:

Octavius BAWTREE 50 banker b Colchester
Charlotte Jane wife 28 b Limerick, Ireland
John Henry son 7 scholar b Colchester
Alice L WILLIAMS niece 31 b Abberton, Essex (on original entry I think it said 'gentleman's daughter'.

[Sue Mackay]

Octavius's family would seem to have lived in Abberton, Essex, where the neice was born.

1851 census: HO107; Piece: 1782; Folio: 199; Page: 5
North End, Abberton, Essex (when I lived in Colchester many years ago I seem to remember there was an Abberton Road to the south west of the town)

John BAWTREE 57 Magistrate and Banker b Essex, Wivenhoe
Mary wife 54 b Norfolk, Colney
Emma dau 21 b Colchester
Maria dau 18 b Colchester
Octavius son 20 solictor's articled clerk b Colchester
Edward J grandson 2 b Upper Canada

[DRosebud]

Hello Michelle,

Octavius, aged 70 retired banker, is living with his sister, Maria Hunt on the 1901 Census.

RG13/1706 Essex, Colchester First Ward, District 8, page 5

Deborah

[Sue Mackay]

Is your "D. BAWTREE" David I wonder? In which case it looks as if he was the child of Octavius by his first marriage. Getting the marriage certificate of Octavius and Charlotte would prove whether Octavius was a widower in 1873.

1861 census for Abberton: Class: RG9; Piece: 1102; Folio: 59; Page: 1

John BAWTREE 67 Magistrate for Essex 7 banker b Wivenhoe
Mary wife 64 b Norfolk Colney
Octavius son 30 banker's clerk b Colchester
David P grandson 8 b Kent, Chatham
Jessie M granddau 5 b Ireland
Sarah POSTLE sister-in-law unm 66 b Norfolk, Thorpe
Charlotte POSTLE sister-in-law unm 60 b Norfolk, Colney

Should have added that the Bawtree family always had several live in servants so were obviously well-to-do.

Looks like the family moved about a bit. In 1871 Octavius is still with Mum and Dad in Abberton, described as unmarried. Also at home are the two sisters Emma and Maria. Emma is Emma ROBINSON, a widow, and is there with three children. The eldest, Annie E Robinson (11) was born in South Africa. Emma M (9) and Arthur W ROBINSON were born in Abberton. Octavius' other sister Maria HUNT (38) was described as married so may just have been visiting, or else her husband was off on his travels as well

[Sue Mackay]

The IGI has a submitted entry (so needs checking) for the marriage of John BAWTREE to Mary POSTLE 23 July 1816 in Colney, Norfolk

[messers]

Is your "D. BAWTREE" David I wonder? In which case it looks as if he was the child of Octavius by his first marriage. Getting the marriage certificate of Octavius and Charlotte would prove whether Octavius was a widower in 1873.

1861 census for Abberton: Class: RG9; Piece: 1102; Folio: 59; Page: 1

John BAWTREE 67 Magistrate for Essex 7 banker b Wivenhoe
Mary wife 64 b Norfolk Colney
Octavius son 30 banker's clerk b Colchester
David P grandson 8 b Kent, Chatham
Jessie M granddau 5 b Ireland
Sarah POSTLE sister-in-law unm 66 b Norfolk, Thorpe
Charlotte POSTLE sister-in-law unm 60 b Norfolk, Colney

Should have added that the Bawtree family always had several live in servants so were obviously well-to-do.

Looks like the family moved about a bit. In 1871 Octavius is still with Mum and Dad in Abberton, described as unmarried. Also at home are the two sisters Emma and Maria. Emma is Emma ROBINSON, a widow, and is there with three children. The eldest, Annie E Robinson (11) was born in South Africa. Emma M (9) and Arthur W BOBINSON were born in Abberton. Octavius' other sister Maria HUNT (38) was described as married so may just have been visiting, or else her husband was off on his travels as well

It looks like the D. Bawtree, could be this David. The daugher was born in Ireland, where Octavius' wife Jane, is from, but they only married (officially) in 1873. The family in SA knew of John Henry Bawtree as the only child of Octavius and Elizabeth. So I wonder what happend to David and Jessie? There seems to be a lot of movement around England and into Ireland - David born in Kent, Jessie in Ireland, Jane in Ireland, John Henry Bawtree in colchester.

[messers]

Octavius's family would seem to have lived in Abberton, Essex, where the neice was born.

1851 census: HO107; Piece: 1782; Folio: 199; Page: 5
North End, Abberton, Essex (when I lived in Colchester many years ago I seem to remember there was an Abberton Road to the south west of the town)

John BAWTREE 57 Magistrate and Banker b Essex, Wivenhoe
Mary wife 54 b Norfolk, Colney
Emma dau 21 b Colchester
Maria dau 18 b Colchester
Octavius son 20 solictor's articled clerk b Colchester
Edward J grandson 2 b Upper Canada

It seems that Edward was a son of Octavius - making him a father at only 18 ....
Could he have married before he married Charlotte Evans - he was quite old when they married? If so, then was the mother of Edward the same mother of David Postle and Jessie M?
Or was Octavius raising his children without marrying the mothers?

[Bosswell]

David Postle Bawtree was a direct descendent.

My grandmother was a Bawtree born to John Bawtree in the Manor at Abberton nr. Colchester where they lived. She had two sister and a brother David who was killed at the age of 23 in the first world war I have the original oil painting of the ship in my home. Complete with history of the event as it used to race with the other T clippers of its time. He was lost on the China Sea in November 1872.

I am looking for information on Octavius BAWTREE (abt 1831) and Charlotte June EVANS (1853 - 1893). And D. BAWTREE of Killnstyle, Elmstead, Colchester, Essex married to B. BAWTREE.

Thanks

Michelle[/QUOTE]