George Gilchrist

[makentrax]

Hi My name is Sharyn, (using the profile name as Makentrax)


I live in Perth, Western Australia and I am trying to find documented proof of my grt grandfather George Gilchrist army records, service number 2081. I have been on many paid sites without success. I would be very grateful if someone could point me in the right direction. Some of the details I have is my grt, grt grandfather's real name is Kenneth Chisholm born 14th August, 1822 but when he joined the british army on 31st August, 1842 at the age of 20 he said his name was George Gilchrist giving his place of birth as Loth, Sutherland instead of Inverness. Scotland. During his time he was absent without leave a few time and also court marshalled resulting in jail and deportation to Australia. I have more information but I have trying to get the proof.
hopeful & thank you
Sharyn

[shippo]

Name: George Gilchrist
Aliases: Kenneth, Chisholm
Gender: m
Date of Birth: 14th August, 1822
Occupation: Soldier
Date of Death: 8th May, 1873
Age: 50 years
Crime: Desertion from army
Convicted at: Court Martial Kingston Upper Canada
Sentence term: 14 years
Ship: Dudbrook
Departure date: 17th November, 1852
Arrival date: 7th February, 1853
Place of arrival Western Australia

https://convictrecords.com.au/convic...t/george/10508

I have added the above link as some of the information you have on it might be of help to find further info.

Exactly what did you want proof of?

[shippo]

Its ok i see what you mean trying to find documented proof

You have quite a bit of info on the link i posted, dates he enlisted etc, can you say where you obtained that information from? Was it a reliable source?

[katarzyna]

I see from the link given by shippo above that you have added a lot of information to the Convict record. The record itself has a source which is available on microfilm.
He lied about his name so there is no reason to assume he gave his correct POB either.
Where did you get all the other info that you added to that record? Was it from a Service record?
I think the fact that he named his daughter (assuming correct) using his real name as her middle name it is reasonable to suppose he wanted to recognise Chisholm as as family name.

Name: Janet Chisholm Gilchrist
Birth Date: Abt 1860
Birth Place: Wnrnooka M
Registration Year: 1860
Registration Place: Western Australia, Australia
Father: George Gilchrist
Mother: Jane Cap
Registration Number: 5286

[shippo]

Not sure if these indexes are your fellow or not.
Index on FMP
England & Wales, Crime, Prisons & Punishment, 1770-1935 Great Britain
Gilchrist George born 1821 — event 1850
Gilchrist George born 1821 — event 1850 Dartmoor, Great Britain
Gilchrist George born 1821 — event 1850 Pentonville, Great Britain
Gilchrist George — — event 1851
Gilchrist Geo born 1821 — event 1850

[shippo]

Not sure where i stand with copyright on this so just posting a small snippet of article on George.

The Standard (London, England),
Thursday, August 07, 1851

[makentrax]

Hi Shippo

Thank you for you valuable information. Yes I have the convict record of George being transported on the Dunbrook and as Katarzyna mentioned I have placed notes on there given to me by a person who is now resting in paradise but I don't have the primary and secondary proof to support them. As you know things can be written but sometimes they are not correct. I was lucky to find some details yesterday on the Pentoville Prison site where he was when he was sent back to England. I was told there are documents / transcripts of his court hearing but I have never been lucky enough to find them. I will definitely search for the paper clipping you have pasted and I will revist FMP. once thank you I appreciate your help

[makentrax]

Hi Katarzyna

Thank you for searching information for me. Yes I have the convict record of George being transported on the Dunbrook. I have placed notes on there given to me by a person who is now resting in paradise but I don't have the primary and secondary proof to support them. As you know things can be written but sometimes they are not correct. I was told there are documents / transcripts of his court hearings but I have never been lucky enough to find them. I appreciate your help

[katarzyna]

From Old Parish Records Baptisms - Scotlands People -Credits need for more detail. The date is most probably his baptism rather than birth date.
CHISHOLM
KENNETH
Parents JOHN CHISHOLM/JANET BEATON
M
14/08/1822
098/
110 58
Inverness

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/...v=try&h=947487
Source Citation
Parish: Inverness; ED: 1A; Page: 13; Line: 1110; Year: 1841
Possible Family in 1841
John Chisholm 60
Janet Chisholm 50
John Chisholm 15
Murdoch Chisholm 20
Janet Beaton 30


If you have Ancestry there is a tree with photo believed to be George/Kenneth and his wife Jane.
https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree...41290589/facts
(tree owned by Donna Boelen)
However she only has the transportation Registers - no military

Edit: She has his family in Scotland.

[helachau]

The address on the '41 Census record "Grey Friars" matches the name/address given on one of his FMP prison records - "Father John Chisholm, 4 Grey Friars Street, Inverness"