Hindon Street,Pimlico

[Geoff Wycherley]

Could a member help me on the following.
Searching the records I came across a relative on the 1881 census for Alice Booth listed as head of house (aged 10) living at 22 Hindon Street, St Peter,Pimlico, St George Hanover Square.
The census lists out her siblings plus a housekeeper.
At this time the Mother had died and the father was working in Shrewsbury as a cabinet maker.
My question is, what type of housing was Hindon street, was it your run of the mill terraced housing, or something better. I am trying to put into persepsctive the housing, for the pictures I have seen of the area they are of the grand type.

Thanks in advance

[wimsey]

with a bit of googling, a pub history website tells me that between 1866 and about 1910, The Prince of Wales pub now with address 91 Wilton Road, Pimlico was 27 Hindon Street and that "Hindon Street is now the higher numbered premises in Wilton Road". Using google streetview I've just "walked" down Wilton Road and there isn't any original housing at all. The pub is on the corner of Longmoore Street where houses look like this



going south Wilton Road becomes Denbigh Street where houses look like this



sorry, those pictures came out bigger than I expected !

[Geoff Wycherley]

Thank you wimsey for your quick reply the photos and the information are very much appreciated. I think I will guess that the first type of house you sent would be the type that the family lived in.

[wimsey]

why not be ambitious - you're just a stone's throw from Ecclestone Square, Pimlico, where houses look like this

[Geoff Wycherley]

HaHa,now your talking, certainly would not like a mortgage on one of those.
An aside to this, as families talk about their history, we were led to believe that they came from Eaton Place? the 1881 census states Hindon street, being a northerner and never ventured past Watford Gap services does that area exist and if it does is that in Pimlico?.

[Pam Downes]

HaHa,now your talking, certainly would not like a mortgage on one of those.
An aside to this, as families talk about their history, we were led to believe that they came from Eaton Place? the 1881 census states Hindon street, being a northerner and never ventured past Watford Gap services does that area exist and if it does is that in Pimlico?.

Come on, Geoff, I know it's hot but engage brain.
WImsey's already mentioned google streetview (I believe other streetviews are available) so how about looking for Eaton Place? And you definitely wouldn't be able to afford even a bijou studio flat there today.

And, yes, it is in/near Pimlico. See Wikipedia.

Pam

[wimsey]

not sure about Eaton Place. I don't know why I'm pretending to be a London expert, I'm not sure where Pimlico ends and Belgravia starts - I think they are basically either side of the railway lines that lead into Victoria Station. Belgravia has the likes of Eaton Square (very very upmarket), Eaton Terrace, Eaton Mews etc. There is an Eaton Place, officially I would think Belgravia, with similar buildings to Ecclestone Square.

Eaton Place, Belgravia



whether there is/was a separate Eaton Place, Pimlico I'm not sure

[hope I haven't broken any photo house rules] - don't know why these screenshots look a bit washed out

[Eastclif]

with a bit of googling, a pub history website tells me that between 1866 and about 1910, The Prince of Wales pub now with address 91 Wilton Road, Pimlico was 27 Hindon Street and that "Hindon Street is now the higher numbered premises in Wilton Road".

Hello Wimsey, I see this post was a few years ago, I hope you're still around. I have a question about Wilton Rd, perhaps you can help me. A relative lived at 53 Wilton Road in 1901. The head of the household was the manager (not owner) of a grocery shop. He was 39 yrs old and there were 3 men in their 20's not related, who were assistants in the shop, and one of them was my granduncle who came to Canada in 1906, with his brother, my great grandfather.

I've been looking at Google maps, which as you said, has changed a lot. I've also looked at Booth's Poverty Map of 1889, which shows Hindon St, which, in 1901 would be Wilton Road. Are you able to tell me what might have been at 53 ? I'm thinking it might have been the shop on street level, and the workers living above. Something I found makes me think that the Patisserie Valerie at 54 Wilton Rd might have been where 53 was too ? Any help greatly appreciated.

[wimsey]

hello Eastclif

are you saying your relative's address on the 1901 census is "53 Wilton Road" or was it X Hindon Street which you have worked out is now 53 Wilton Road ?

looking at streetview the building which now contains Patisserie Valerie certainly looks (in contrast to almost everything around it) an "original" building which could have been there in 1901.

One thing that springs to mind is that 53 and 54 Wilton Road might be on opposite sides of the road (i.e. odd numbers one side, even numbers the other side)

If no building or business in Wilton Road is now numbered 54 then the Patisserie building may well be a combined address of 53/4. Sorry not to give a definitive answer.
Wilton Road has clearly altered out of all recognition to what it was in 1901 but there are some original buildings.

[Eastclif]

Thanks Wimsey

Since my message earlier today, I have found more information.
First of all, the address in 1901 was 53 Wilton Road. Today I found a 2019 archeological assessment of the property "52&54 to 73 Wilton Road' for the purposes of redevelopment, and in that there is a diagram showing the road, marking the relevant area, and there are several odd numbers shown.

https://www.westminster.gov.uk/sites...Assessment.pdf

I also found an approval of the redevelopment proposal, and it says '52 to 73 Wilton Road'. The plans include
"A vibrant mix of uses including new residential units and high quality, flexible office space; and Retail, restaurants and cafes at ground floor - designed for smaller independent operators".

So, with 52 and 54 on the pic in the archeology report, I know there was a 53 there at some point. And I think it's safe to say that the pizza place 52 and the patisserie 54 each have a piece of 53 between them

I searched the address on the 1939 Register, and I could only fid 54, and it seemed to be a multi-dwelling structure. The spaces above that on the register were closed. I'm going to look for the address on the 1911 census and see what's there.

Thanks for your interest and suggestions