Taylor, Emma

[Addphill]

Hi all hope i'm in the wright place, i have for many years tried to trace my Great Great Grandmother Emma Taylor daughter of Charles Taylor of Benson Oxfordshire England born 1824 died Australia 1894 he married Emma clinch 1846 but and here is the problem his first child Emma Taylor was born 1845 Henley Oxfordshire "we think" well that's what her death record says the main problem is according to family history she is of high cast Mongolian decent (her Mother was full blooded Mongolian) and all photos of her show an odviose Chinese ancestry i have found 1 record of an Emma Taylor born 1845 Vol: 16 Page: 74 this may fit but my problem is still cant finding her mother which Emma clinch is very obviously not, i cant seem to find Charles in the 1841 census his parents where George Taylor of Oxford b 1794 d 1879 and Hannah Norris of Surrey 1802 d 1885 both are well researched by many i can find no record of Charles on inbound passenger lists from 1841 to 1846 when he married Emma clinch some how he has managed to avoid all records i can think of turn up with a small child in the time between his 20th year and his 52nd year with no record befour marriage to Emma clinch and then go on to producing 1 child in 1851 England and 8 in between 1853-1868 Australia Any one have any ideas where else i may look tried British subjects born abroad with no luck

[Dundee10]

Hi and Welcome.

The family were living in Camberwell in 1851 and daughter Mary Ann was born there:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGBF-9FW

Here are the two birth registrations:

TAYLOR, EMMA
Mother's maiden surname: CLINCH
GRO Reference: 1848 March Quarter in WALLINGFORD Volume 06 Page 271

TAYLOR, MARY ANN
Mother's maiden surname: CLINCH
GRO Reference: 1851 March Quarter in CAMBERWELL Volume 04 Page 68

It is very difficult to make out the children's ages on the original census. I think Mary Ann is intended to be 2 or 3 months and Emma is 3 years.

[Dundee10]

I think you are getting yourself a little confused with the sequence of events. Charles TAYLOR and Emma CLINCH married in Benson, Oxfordshire (registered Reading district) in 1846. They then had at least two children before emigrating. The first birth that I can see for them is a son William in WA in 1855, so you know that they arrived as a family between 1851 and 1855.

https://www.bdm.dotag.wa.gov.au/_apps...x/default.aspx

Immigration records are very incomplete so there may be no surviving record of their arrival.

I can see a few very odd family trees on the Ancestry website with some details which do not make sense. A few have a photo which they say is both Emma the mother and Emma the daughter, they can't seem to decide. I am rubbish at dating photos so perhaps if you have a good copy you can post it here to see if anyone can date it for you to know whether it is mother or daughter.

[Dundee10]

OK, I have just seen that the third daughter Hannah was born in 1853 in Adelaide, South Australia.

1853
TAYLOR, Hannah
Father: Charles TAYLOR
Mother: Emma CLINCH
Adelaide 4/146

Unfortunately South Australia has very poor survival rates for their inbound passenger records and a lot of information has had to come from the newspapers. Some passenger records are digitised and you can browse them here:

https://www.archives.sa.gov.au/conte...assenger-lists

[Dundee10]

This looks like Charles' parents with the younger children in 1841 (recorded over two pages):

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7Q6-YMD
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7Q6-YMX

The youngest child Ruth was born within civil registration:

TAYLOR, RUTH
Mother's maiden surname: MORRIS
GRO Reference: 1839 December Quarter in WALLINGFORD UNION Volume 06 Page 236

In 1851 they have had another two children, Ellen and George.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG8P-H8B

TAYLOR, ELLEN
Mother's maiden surname: NORRIS
GRO Reference: 1842 Dec Quarter in WALLINGFORD Volume 06 Page 235

TAYLOR, GEORGE
Mother's maiden surname: NORRISS
GRO Reference: 1845 June Quarter in WALLINGFORD Volume 06 Page 231

[Dundee10]

This is probably your Charles here aged 17 in 1841:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7Q6-TLM

William HUTCHINGS was a farmer and Charles is an agricultural labourer so he was probably working on the Hutchings farm.

[AntonyMMM]

You should start by getting a copy of that 1845 birth registration, but bear in mind that there is no mother's maiden name shown in the index - that means an unmarried mother, and there will be no father shown, and the mother's surname will be TAYLOR. It is always possible that your Emma CLINCH could have called herself TAYLOR when registering the child if Charles was the father.

If they got married in 1846, but Emma was born in 1845, then the birth should be indexed under the mother's surname alone (whatever that may be).

Also consider that Henley is right on the boundary between Oxfordshire, Berkshire and Buckinghamshire so records for the area can often be found in all three counties (and districts), depending on the exact place they were living.

[Dundee10]

Emma Taylor was born 1845 Henley Oxfordshire "we think" well that's what her death record says

The hospital and cemetery both recorded Emma's age as 65 when she died in 1913.

https://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch...?id=KB00013567

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/57749351

[Dundee10]

Charles and Emma arrived into Adelaide in 1852 on the 'Amazon'.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/38465657

.....Chas. and Emma Taylor and two children.....

Only Charles is recorded by name - man's age 26, woman's age 24, two female children aged 3 and an infant.

https://www.archives.sa.gov.au/sites...2-5_Amazon.pdf

[Pam Downes]

You should start by getting a copy of that 1845 birth registration, but bear in mind that there is no mother's maiden name shown in the index - that means an unmarried mother, and there will be no father shown, and the mother's surname will be TAYLOR. It is always possible that your Emma CLINCH could have called herself TAYLOR when registering the child if Charles was the father.

If they got married in 1846, but Emma was born in 1845, then the birth should be indexed under the mother's surname alone (whatever that may be).

Also consider that Henley is right on the boundary between Oxfordshire, Berkshire and Buckinghamshire so records for the area can often be found in all three counties (and districts), depending on the exact place they were living.

Reading the evidence that Dundee10 has compiled I don't think the 1845 birth registration is anything to do with Emma, daughter of Charles Taylor and Emma Clinch.

Re the bit in bold, that is usually the case, but not always. See Q16 and Q17.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/c...sp#OnlineIndex

Pam