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    Default ELOISA FRANCES SIMMONDS-PERCY JOHN TIDD

    This new thread is for my Hauer/Simmonds/Jacobs cousins and for those Simmonds/Tidd who are currently unaware of the relationships between the various families. The thread should be read in conjunction with the several threads I have written on the Simmonds/Jacobs and related lines on this Jewish Roots forum.

    Eloisa Frances Simmonds 1852-1930 descends from the German Jewish line of Moses Simon from Gehaus Germany. My Simmonds cousins in USA,Sweden, South America have significant family records on the line including a family tree. The data also forms part of the USA Stern collection on Jewish families.
    There are also Synagogue Records on the UK Simmonds aka Simon aka Simons with specific reference to Wolf Simmonds who settled in London. Others of the line went to South America and the West Indies and to Sweden.

    Eloisa Frances Simmonds was the daughter of Kalman (Karl) Hauer Simmonds 1824-1895 from Gehaus Germany who died in Colombia.

    This particular post focuses initially on Eloisa and her marriage to Percy John Tidd 1890-1937.
    The Select Marriages show- Eloisa Frances SIMMONDS single 23 father Carlos Hauer Simmonds -Percy John TIDD single 20 father John Durestine Tidd
    Newington Surrey married 4 April 1875

    The Newington Surrey address is important because Wolf Simmonds and his family had lived in Newington Causeway Surrey since the early 1800s and it is highly likely that Eloisa had met and stayed with Wolf's children.

    There were 10 children from the marriage of Eloisa and Percy of whom 6 lived by 1911 Census.
    Eloisa was born Santa Martha South America and at least one of her children Henry John was born in South America.

    The children of Eloisa and Percy are recorded on several Ancestry.Com family trees as:
    Henry John b 1874; William Adolphus 1877-1891; Ethel Alice 1880-1963; Mary Eloisa 1882-1949; Lena Frances 1888-; Phyllis Amelia 1890-1941; Hilda Decima 1894-1937.
    There were others from the 10 born but these are not recorded and all children require further research although there are names of who some of them married and their descendants.

    I will post further.

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    The following census records relate to Eloisa Frances Simmonds and Percy John Tidd;
    1881 (Copyright TNA) RG11 602 11 16
    88 Fentiman Road Lambeth
    Percy J Tidd H M 26 Bank Clerk b London Blackfriars
    Eloisa F wife 29 b South America Santa Martha
    Harry J son 7 b South America Santa Martha
    Willie A son 3 b Brixton Akerman Road
    Ethel A dau 1 b Clapham

    BAPTISMS
    St Martin Kennington Baptism Lambeth
    Ethel Alice Tidd Aug 13 1879 Parents Percy John Tidd Bank clerk; Eloisa Frances- 28 Clapham Road

    Christchurch North Brixton Lambeth
    Harry John Tidd born 10 Feb 1874 baptised August 12 1877
    Parents Percy/Eloisa Tidd- Bank clerk 156 Lo? boro Road North

    1901 Census (Copyright TNA) 13 240 39 8
    Peabody Buildings Covent Garden Wandsworth
    7 Block
    Percy J Tidd H M 46 Clerk Covent Garden b London Blackfriars
    Eloisa F wife 49 b S America B Subject?
    Lena F dau 13 b London Brixton
    Phyllis A dau 11 b London Brixton
    Hilda dau 7 b London Brixton

    1911 Census(Copyright TNA)
    RG14 1192
    7C Block Peabody Buildings Bedfordbury Charing Cross
    Percy John Tidd H M 58 Clerk fruit Commission agent
    Eloisa Frances wife 60 married 38 years 10 children 6 living 4 dead b Santa Martha South America
    Phyllis Amalia dau 21 single envelope addresser Stationer b London Brixton
    Hilda Decima dau 17 single no occupation b London Brixton

    DEATH
    Eloisa F Tidd June qtr 1930 age 78 Battersea 1d 387

    Percy J Tidd age 68 March qtr Wandsworth 1d 895 March 1924

    Further data to follow

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    These are various records including marriage, death, probate relating to some of the children of Eloisa and Percy. I noted that there were not 10 baptism records for all their children which means that I may prove difficult to identify the 4 children who died.
    Here is the Baptism and death of William aka Willie Adolphus Tidd- Baptism William Adolphus Tidd Born Oct 20 ( no year recorded) baptised Jan 13 1878 North Brixton Christchurch Lambeth Parents Percy John Tidd Clerk /Eliosa Frances 156 Akerman Road Brixton-
    Death William Adolphus Tidd b abt 1878 Jan qtr 1891 Age 13 Greenwich 1d 755

    MARRIAGES
    St Paul Church St.Mary Newington London
    7 April 1901
    Henry John COTTINGHAM 24 bachelor Painter 30 Beresford Street- father John Cottingham Painter
    Ethel Alice TIDD 21 spinster no occupation 28 Hillingdon Street -father Percy John Tidd Mercantile Clerk
    Witnesses Percy J Tidd; William Thomas Cottingham

    Holy Trinity Church Upper Tooting London
    June 12 1911
    Harold Wightman MOUNTAIN 23 bachelor Printer 59 Fircroft Road -father Thomas John Mountain Printer

    Phyllis Amelia TIDD 21 spinster no occupation 7c Bedfordbury Charing Cross -father Percy John Tidd Clerk
    Witnesses P J Tidd; J? Mountain

    It appears from records that the marriage did not last because the RAF Records show Harold Wightman Mountain 28 b 1889 Service 25 Jan 1917- wife Laura Beatrice Mountain

    The London Electoral Register for 1929-36 shows Phyllis Amelia TIDD living alone at 9 block B Peabodody Buildings Westminster
    Phyllis died in 1941
    Phyllis A MOUNTAIN 51 Sept qtr 1941 Paddington 1a 3

    There was a son Percy John Wightman Mountain June qtr 1912 Lambeth 1d 670. He appears on Ancestry.Com family trees to have died in 1920. No other children appear on the GRO Birth Index

    In 1921 Surrey Electoral Registers Harold Wightman Mountain is living at 4 Hawthorne Close Sutton.
    His probate shows- Harold Wightman Mountain 60a Gower Road Haywards Heath Sussex died 26 1951 Probate to Laura Beatrice Mountain widow and Cyril Snell master baker Effects 5997.0s 4d

    Ancestry.Com family trees record Laura Beatrice MARSHALL 1899-1984 as the 2nd wife of Harold Wightman Mountain

    Birth and Marriage

    Hilda Decima Tidd Birth July qtr 1893 London 1d 52

    Marriage
    Brixton Road Chapel Huddersfield
    Sept 10 1927
    Claude Hirst BUTLIN 32 bachelor General engineer 140 Dewhurst Road Fartown Huddersfield -father Ben Butlin Foreman Woollen Spinner (deceased)
    Hilda Decima TIDD 34 spinster Dancing instructress 100 Dewhurst Road Fartown Huddersfield -father Percy John Tidd Wholesale Florist's County Manager (deceased)
    Witnesses- Arthur N Green; Gertrude Butlin

    Death Hilda D BUTLIN 44 B ABT 1893 Sept qtr 1937 Huddersfield 9a 366

    There appear to have been no children from the marriage.

    Further data will be posted as research progresses.

    Phillip

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    This post provides further data on Ethel Alice Tidd and Henry John Cottingham:
    1911 Census ( Copyright TNA) RG14 2043
    54 Corrance Road Brixton
    Henry John Cottingham H M 35 Decorator b London
    Ethel Alice wife 31 Married 10 years 3 children 3 alive b London
    Frank John son 8 b London
    Walter Gilbert son 6 b London
    Eloisa Theresa dau 4 b London

    Probate
    Ethel Alice Cottingham 222 Woodmansterne Road Streatham London SW16 widow died 31 Dec 1963 at St.Benedicts Hospital Tooting London Probate to Charles Edwin Miles television engineer 710

    The 3 children of Ethel/Henry:
    Frank John 1902-1963
    Walter Gilbert 1905-1961
    Eloisa Theresa 1906-1959

    There are marriages for the above and children but due to living relatives I will not post further data.

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    The 1871 Census shows Eloisa Frances Simmonds as a pupil:
    1871 Census ( Crown Copyright TNA) RG10 695 23 39

    Clapham Classical and Preparatory Boarding School
    2 Church Buildings Clapham
    Principal Martha C Ward

    Eloisa F SIMMONDS Pupil 19 b New Granada Santa Martha

    There is also a Caroline Simmonds age 8 pupil b Surrey Farnham

    Further data on the school can be seen on the site The Clapham Society Local History Series -4 Michael Green

    The record is interesting because it shows Eloisa at a late age still studying and suggests an educated person. Currently, I can see no record to indicate when she arrived in the UK.

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    The following is a newspaper article regarding the death of William Adolphus Tidd son of Eloisa and Percy age 13. I have edited the full article but enclosed the relevant extracts:
    Mysterious Drowning-An Open Verdict
    Reynolds Newspaper Sunday March 8 1891

    Inquest held at the Dover Castle Church Street Greenwich on the body of William Adolphus Tidd son of Percy John Tidd, Commercial Clerk Princess Mansions Coldharbour Lane Brixton..A waterman found the body of the deceased lying across some woodwork hanging head and arms downward... the surgeon certified cause of death drowning, the jury returned an open verdict

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    The following birth and at least two death records are related to some of the 10 children of Elisa and Percy Tidd. It is difficult to identify further children one of whom may have been born and died in South America:
    Henry born in 1874 South America further data required to identify what happened to him post UK arrival and census data; Birth Percy Carlos Tidd Lambeth 1d 493 Sept qtr 1892 death Dec qtr 1892 Lambeth 1d 294;All following births except William- Phyliis Amalia Tidd March qtr 1890 Lambeth 1d 536;Hilda Decima Tidd Sept Qtr 1893 Lambeth 1d 526; William Adolphus Tidd Dec qtr 1877 Lambeth 1d 515 -I have posted on his later death age 13; Ethel Alice Tidd Sept qtr 1879 Lambeth 1d 437; Mary Eloisa Tidd Dec qtr 1881 Lambeth 1d 465; Herbert William A Tidd Sept qtr 1885 1d 412

    Possible others- Lena Frances Tidd Sept qtr 1887 Lambeth 1d 488; Nellie Otilia Tidd June qtr 1876 St Saviour 1d 181 and death Lambeth 1877- these all require further research.

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    Default JOHN DUNSTONE TIDD-JUDAH LEE SIMMONDS

    The close relationship between the John Dunstone Tidd and the Judah Lee Simmonds ( son of Wolf Simmonds of Newington Causeway) can be seen in the following record- The London Gazette Jan 26 1877:
    The Partnership between Judah Lee Simmonds and John Dunstone Tidd Merchants 10 Fish Street Hill London under the style or firm J L SIMMONDS and Co dissolved 22 Jan 1877.
    The record other data suggests that this was a long standing relationship that was dissolved through disuse. There is no indication what the trade was between the partners.
    Importantly, John Dunstone Tidd was the father of Percy John Tidd who married Eloisa Frances Simmonds. I have already posted on the relationship between Wolf Simmonds and Kalman aka Carl Hauer Simmonds father of Eloisa.
    This partnership may help to explain how Percy John Tidd and Eloisa met particularly when Eloisa was at school as a pupil age 19 in Clapham as posted on.

    John Dunstone Tidd 1823-1900 and Mary Giles 1821-1900 were the parents of Percy John Tidd. The 1851 Census records John Dunstone Tidd as an oil merchant employing 3 men in St Giles Cripplegate, By 1861 John was a mercantile clerk:
    1861 Census (Copyright TNA) RG9 357 67 5
    6 Dortham? North Kennington Surrey
    John D Tidd H M 37 Mercantile Clerk and Banker b Surrey Lambeth
    Mary wife 40 b Surrey Lambeth
    Mary dau 12 b Middx City
    Louisa dau 10 b Middx City of London
    William son 8 b Surrey Southwark
    PERCY son 6 b Surrey Southwark
    Alice dau 1 Clapham
    +4 servants

    1871 (Copyright TNA) RG10 671 2811
    88 Clapham Road Lambeth
    John D Tidd H M 47 Commercial Clerk b Surrey Lambeth
    Mary wife 50 b Newington Surrey
    Mary dau u 22 b City of London
    Louisa dau u 19 b City of London
    William D son u 17 Brokers Clerk Ship b Surrey Lambeth
    PERCY J son u16 Brokers clerk ship b Surrey Lambeth
    Alice dau 11 b Surrey Lambeth

    I have not put in the 1881 or 1900 census relating to John Dunstone Tidd because Percy had left home by that date and had married Eloisa in 1875.

    Probate
    John Dunstone Tidd 42 Crewsdon Road Clpham Road Surrey died 18 March 1900 Probate to Robert Thomas Palmer Iron Founder.
    John's wife Mary had also died earlier in 1900
    See Findagrave
    Large Family Tombstone with various inscriptions on the Tidd lines West Norwood Cemetery and Crematorium

    Phillip

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