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[almach]

You will need to look for Lilian's birth in Canada and probably with surname Griffin/Griffen/Griffins/Griffens/etc

[fieryone]

Wow, no wonder I couldn't find her. I wonder why the switch from smith to Griffen, do you think she married again? Thanks so much!

[geneius]

Violet's birth cert may provide a clue as to the name change

Added found this on ancestry

Name: Violet Florence Griffin
Baptism Age: 0
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 30 Nov 1912
Baptism Date: 8 Jan 1913
Baptism Place: St Anne, Bermondsey, Southwark, England
Father: George Henry Griffin (a labourer )
Mother: Florence Minnie Griffin

[almach]

Wow, no wonder I couldn't find her. I wonder why the switch from smith to Griffen, do you think she married again? Thanks so much!

I haven't found any evidence of her marrying again in England.

[fieryone]

Ill order violets, lillians will be harder. Ontario laws are different

[geneius]

Let us know how you get on

[fieryone]

Will do, I've ordered James and Violet's, it usually takes about a week!

[fieryone]

Just to update, Ive received the birth certs, and they seem to be the same family. Why the name change to Griffin I dont know but it sure is curious!

[almach]

Just to update, Ive received the birth certs, and they seem to be the same family. Why the name change to Griffin I dont know but it sure is curious!

Thank you for the update. I agree they seem to be the same couple. At the moment I've no idea why the name change , I did try to find out a possible reason when I first tumbled to the name change. I'll look into it further later on, and report back if I find anything.