Voelkel

[fieryone]

misreading old script thanks for pointing that out! i only saw 4's!

[sandiep]

so easily done as I know
I have tried always to find your Florence and George but George Smith is not an easy name to find!
Did it give his age on the marriage cert?

[fieryone]

Yes George Smith, 22 years Dock labourer, father george smith (deceased) butcher

[sandiep]

sorry still cant connect these.......I did wonder if George might have died in ww1 but there are a lot of George Smiths
and still doent say why she didn't say she was widowed on the marriage you have in Canada
think will have to sleep on it!!! sorry no help

[fieryone]

Thanks for looking, I have another relative who said she was a spinster, had the children in an orphanage, got remarried and then took them out. It happens

[geneius]

I'm starting from scratch, the birth entry for Florence, NB the spelling of the surname. This has the correct MMN

VOLKEL, FLORENCE MINNIE DAUBERT
GRO Reference: 1887 J Quarter in WESTMINSTER Volume 01A Page 501

[fieryone]

I looked for a list of acronyms but couldnt find one. NB & MMN?

[geneius]

oops!

MMN = Mother maiden name

NB = Nota Bene (note well)

[geneius]

JAMES VOLKEL
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1886
JAMES VOLKEL married Herminie Daubert,
DistrictDistric Westminster
Volume 1A Page number 994

Confirming mother's forename

[almach]

I consider this a likely scenario.

Marriage George Smith/Florence Volkel (Greenwich 1905)

A son is born: SMITH, JAMES HENRY CECIL , mother's maiden name VOCKEL
GRO Reference: 1905 J Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 988

Then things become complicated as it appears for some reason there was a change of surname to Griffin.

1911 census, 49 Christ Church St, Chelsea RG14; Piece: 405
George Griffin 24, public house potman, born London
Florence Griffin 24, born Westminster, married 6yrs
James Griffin 5, born Greenwich

Birth of dau: Births Mar 1913, Griffin Violet F, mother's maiden name Voelkel St.Olave 1d 348
* note the birth was registered Mar qrt (between Jan - Mar) as parents were given 6 weeks to register a birth, it is possible Violet was born Dec 1912, her birth certificate will give DOB.

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Vessel: Ascania, date of arrival 23 Jun 1913 (Quebec), port of departure Southampton.
Griffin George age 28, Florence (wife) age 26, James age 8, Violet age 6 months.

1921 Census, Toronto West
Florence Griffens 30, born England
Violet Griffens 8, born England
Lily Griffens 6, born Ontario