Thread: Mary Ann Ramshaw/Pattison/Peat b.1837 B/Wall

I think this is them in 1851 with surname mistranscribed

HO107; Piece: 2394; Folio: 98; Page: 14;
Living Great Lumley
John Ramsher 58, Coal Miner, Northumberland
Sarah Ramsher 53, Durham
Mary Ann Ramsher 16, Houghton le Spring
Martha Ramsher 12, Coxoe

Possibly the first Martha died, and was common practice another daughter be named after her

Originally Posted by 5tephen

Just realised I have explored this Mary Ann Ramshaw in the past. I have her in 1841, 1851 and 1861 census. Her monther was Sarah Humble and she married John Patterson in 1857.

I don't have a record of why I abandoned this line of thought. Perhaps I found her in later census records. I'll follow it through again and make a decent record of why I discounted it in case I go back again in another few years!

I really have been going around in circles with this.

RAMSHAW, MARTHA HUMBLE
GRO Reference: 1839 J Quarter in DURHAM AND LANCHESTER Volume 24 Page 64

Originally Posted by 5tephen

That 1851 census is the one I have used in my draft tree for for this line. It does look very good - there is no sign of Mary Ann Ramshaw after 1861. I believe she married John Paterson b. 03 May 1835 Edinburgh in 1857. I have no record of them having children. They appear in the 1861 census as living in Bishopwearmouth. John was a seaman. I beleive this census was taken on 07 Apr 1861. She married William in High Southwhick (very close to Bishopwearmouth) on 9 Jun 1862 just over a year later. No sign of a suitable death for John. I guess if he was a Seaman he could have died anywhere though.

Mary Ann Ramshaw's father John was coal miner. The John Pattison on the marriage cert was listed as a coal miner. I guess it could be a simple case of a mistake on the marriage record.

Do you know if it is normal for someone that has been married before to use her birth name or married name at the second marriage?

Thanks

Looking at the 'evidence' presented (particularly her children having MMN Ramshaw) it looks like the registrar in 1862 transposed her maiden name and married name, it happened! It's likely Mary Ann couldn't read and therefore wouldn't be aware of the mistake. Did she sign the marriage certificate or was it marked with a cross?

Ancestry has this database "UK, Registers of Births, Marriages and Deaths at Sea, 1844-1890"

Two John Patterson's died at sea in 1861
One on the ship Lena, died off Lowestoft 5th Sept 1861
The other on the ship 'Mirage' but I don't think he's the one, however I suggest you look for yourself.

It does look very much the registrar's hand though

I'd say it's it's definitely the same hand. Could be a handwritten copy of the original.