Thom Scothern

[Jomot1]

That 1841 find helps a lot....

Marriage 8 Jun 1835, St Wilfrid, Kirkby in Ashfield - William Scothorn & Ann Hill

ADDED: Witnesses: Thomas Bowmar & Hannah Hill.

The 1871 census for the two Thomases (21 & 12) has them working for / living with William Bowmar.

[Pam Downes]

Gratty,

I think instead of just clicking the 'thanks' icon on posts you need to come back and answer the major question of 'how have you got back to Thomas, born c1850, son of William Scothern and Ann Hill'. We need census references; bride, occupation(s), father's name and occupation, date(s) and place(s), from marriage certificate(s), and their children.

As you can see from the details in this thread, there's a lot of confusing stuff out there. I'm already going

Pam

[Dundee10]

Marriage 8 Jun 1835, St Wilfrid, Kirkby in Ashfield - William Scothorn & Ann Hill

Jane aged 9 in 1841 was born before the marriage. Baptised in Pinxton.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NGGW-2FS

Samuel baptised six months after marriage.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NGXX-5MQ

Sarah

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KBDB-9VK

[Gratty]

Thanks to you all. I have just found a Thomas Hill born in 1850 which I think may be Thomas Scothern. Fingers crossed.

[Jomot1]

Why would you think it was registered under Hill? If it's the one in Basford in 1850 then the mother's maiden name is Fretwell:

HILL, THOMAS mmn FRETWELL
GRO Reference: 1850 M Quarter in BASFORD Volume 15 Page 472

Until 1874 it was the responsibility of the registrar to ensure births were registered - not the parents - and it's believed that around 15% of births therefore went unregistered. This could be the case with Thomas.

[Gratty]

Thanks for trying. I am so totally confused with this family. The only thing I can say for sure is that Tom (Thom) Scothern married Jemima Leivers Wright in 1872. Tom died 2.3.1927. On the 1911 census his age is 62 years, which gives approx 1850 as his date of birth.

[Lesley Robertson]

Sometimes a low tech approach helps.
Get a big bit of paper and draw a tree. Start with the data you are sure of, in ink. Then add the stuff you think is right in pencil (so you can rub it out and change it). Make a copy, and add (in another colour) the stuff that's vaguely possible..
It's amazing how things click into place when you see a diagram on paper!

[geneius]

Starting from scratch....

1911
18 Lime Street East Kirkby Notts
Tom Scothern 62 1849 Nuncar Gate, Nottinghamshire, Coal Miner Hewer
Jimima Scothern 62 wife 1849 Kirkby Woodhouse, Nottinghamshire
Tom Scothern 22 son 1889 Nuncar Gate, Nottinghamshire
Phillip Webster 33 sil
Mabel Webster 25 dau 1886 Nuncar Gate, Nottinghamshire, England
Jessie Webster 4 g/dau

Name: Thomas Scothorn
Death Date: 27 Feb 1927
Death Place: Nottinghamshire, England
Probate Date: 24 Sep 1929
Registry: Nottingham, England

Tom died 2.3.1927

Is this the burial date?

There is a will obtainable from https://www.gov.uk/search-will-probate cost £10

Do you have Thom's marriage certificate, if so who is the named father and the witnesses?

[geneius]

8 June 1835 Kirkby in Ashfield
William Scothorne married after Banns Ann Hil
witnesses Hannah Hill & Thomas Bowmar

A birth registration

SCOTHARN, MARY HILL
GRO Reference: 1846 S Quarter in BASFORD Volume 15 Page 451

I cannot see the family in 1841 the family in 1851 has a wife/ mother as Martha!

[Gratty]

Thank you so much, at least it is a start.