Low/Lowe in Lancashire HELP!

[DebbieAnn]

Sorry to disappoint you, DebbieAnn, but the Eliza Lowe who married Sept qrt 1849 married Joseph Jackson; John Smith married Ann Woolley.

I've been trying to get my head round your folks, not at all easy is it? Do you have a record for Susannah Smith/Lowe, one where she's using the surname LOWE?

Well, darn! I won't send for that certificate then... Susannah Smith is listed as Susannah Lowe, daughter of Susannah Albiston (maiden name Lowe, daughter of Thomas Lowe) in the 1871 census. Mark Albiston is not with them, he must have gone ahead to America already, as they followed in 1872. But on Susannah's marriage to Robert Emmett in Fall River in 1878, she's listed as Smith, with parents John and Eliza. In 1880, she's living with Susannah Albiston in Fall River, along with Robert. Mark died in 1874, and his widow remarried in Nov 1880. You can see why I thought Susannah Smith was the pre-marriage daughter of Susannah (Lowe) Albiston!

[DebbieAnn]

This is her in 1871:
Sussanah Albiston in the 1871 England Census
Name: Sussanah Albiston
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Sussannah Albiston
Gender: Female
Where born: Stockport, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Stockport
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Stockport
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Registration district: Stockport
Sub-registration district: Stockport First
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household schedule number: 163
Piece: 3660
Folio: 109
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
Sussannah Albiston 38
Sussanah Albiston 20
Mary Albiston 18
Eliza A Albiston 6
Martha E Albiston 2

[almach]

I'm assuming this 1871 census is your folks, and if so Susannah is listed as Albiston, not LOWE, in view of this does it mean there's no record for Susannah the younger in the name of Lowe?

1871, Stockport, RG10; Piece: 3660; Folio: 109; Page: 23
Sussannah Albiston 38, cotton weaver, Stockport
Sussanah Albiston 20, dau, cotton weaver, Stockport
Mary Albiston 18, dau, cotton weaver, Stockport
Eliza A Albiston 6, dau, Salford
Martha E Albiston 2, dau, Stockport

[almach]

Sorry DebbieAnn, I hadn't seen your post where you list the 1871 census but it doesn't list Susannah as LOWE, so do we take it there's no record where she's known as LOWE, in which case we need to find Susannah Smith's parents and establish who they are?

Do you have immigration records for your folks?

[DebbieAnn]

Sorry DebbieAnn, I hadn't seen your post where you list the 1871 census but it doesn't list Susannah as LOWE, so do we take it there's no record where she's known as LOWE, in which case we need to find Susannah Smith's parents and establish who they are?

Do you have immigration records for your folks?

Oh my! You're right! When I assumed she was Susannah's daughter, I was looking for a Susannah Lowe! I'll have to dig up their immigration records - may take me over the weekend...

And on her marriage to Robert Emmett she's Susannah Smith, parents John and Eliza.

[almach]

There is this family in 1841 at Demesne street, Mottram in Longdale,Ashton and Oldham. ???

John Lowe b 1806. Cotton spinner
Susannah Lowe b 1796
John Smith b 1821
Robert Lowe b 1827
Joseph Lowe b 1833

The above census matches up well with the 1851 census. I'm wondering if John Smith in 1841 (pity the1841 doesn't give relationships) is Susanna's son born before she married John/Jonathan, if so he seems a likely candidate for Susannah Smith's father.

1851, Dukinfield, Stalybridge HO107; Piece: 2237; Folio: 90; Page: 25;
Jonathan Low 46, factory operative (cotton), Wigan
Susannah Low 55, domestic employment, Tinsley
Robert Low 23, factory operative (cotton), Tinsley
Joseph Low 16, factory operative (cotton), Ringley
Susannah Smith 3, grand dau, Cheshire.

[DebbieAnn]

Yes, I mentioned that possibility in an earlier post!

[almach]

Yes, I mentioned that possibility in an earlier post!

Then we are singing from the same sheet. I can find a marriage between a John Smith and an Elizabeth Lowe, but not in Cheshire or Lancashire but Warwickshire.

Name: John Smith
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Lowe
Event Date: 02 Dec 1849
Event Place: Saint Phillips,Birmingham,Warwick,England

ETA: Do we know Susannah's mother's surname was LOWE. or could it be another name? As Susannah would be grand dau to Susannah Lowe, wife of John/Jonathan, if John Smith is her son. I suppose your train of thought is: Susannah Smith now Emmett living in America in 1880 next door to Susannah Albiston must be related as she's with the Albiston's in 1871, BUT entered as Susannah ALBISTON daughter. Do we know the two Susannah's - Smith and Albiston are the same person. A passenger list may help, but I've had no luck finding one. I did find Mark Albiston on the US 1870 census and calculated he must have left for America between 1868 and early 1870, even with that small window I couldn't find him, I'll try again.

[DebbieAnn]

I'm going to wait until I get the birth record back - if John is Jonathan's step-son, Eliza may not even be a Lowe!

[Mona]

1851, Dukinfield, Stalybridge HO107; Piece: 2237; Folio: 90; Page: 25;
Jonathan Low 46, factory operative (cotton), Wigan
Susannah Low 55, domestic employment, Tinsley
Robert Low 23, factory operative (cotton), Tinsley
Joseph Low 16, factory operative (cotton), Ringley
Susannah Smith 3, grand dau, Cheshire.

Marriage: 10 March 1828, St. Mary the Virgin, Leigh, lancs (from lan-opc)
Jonathan LOWE = Susannah SMITH.

from CheshireBMD, births 1846-1850, Susannah SMITH mmn BAMFORD, subdistrict Stayley, registers at Tameside
FreeBMD has this birth as March qtr 1847, Ashton & c

Marriage: 25 Jan 1846 - John SMITH to Mary BAMFORD at St. Michael, Ashton under Lyne