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    Unhappy 1861 Census

    Hi guys, Im struggling to find a family in the 1861 england census.

    The family consists of Jacob Scherp b1825 Prussia
    Mary Scherp b1832 Prussia
    Catherine Scherp b1854 Whitechapel
    Henry Scherp b 1858 London

    I have found them in the 1871 census, with their other two sons Charles b1861 and Albert b1863, But I cant find he Scherps in 1861 or in any census' after 1871, presumably with two of the children born in london, and the following two, also I found a bancruptcy notice in 1864 for Jacob listed in Whitechapel, So I presume in 1861 they are there somewhere. Ive tried various spellings, by the time Catherine married and had children her kids GRO said Sharp for mothers name, but no luck with this either, also no luck with birth gro records for the kids. I found a Catherine sharp birth in whitechapel in 1854, however that mothers maiden name was Peel, not very german.

    So a bit confused.

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    Lunch beckons!

    Just googled Jacob Scherp b 1825 a couple of hits have come up of others looking for the same family of researchers on ancestry boards, one response

    My Great Grandfather Jacob (b. 1825) left Germany around 1850 and went to London. He and his wife had 5 or 6 children born in Whitechapel, London and then the family left England for the USA around 1872-3. I also see records for an Adam Scherp in the same section of London during the same time period.


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    Yes, there are some similarities, i.e. Adam, Jacob, farming & Prussia! I don't have a lot of info: my gg parents, Johann Heinrich Scherp & Elizabeth Breuning married at Whitechapel on Jan. 2, 1859 & migrated to New Zealand in 1863, with three children, the third being my g. father Jacob Frederick Scherp b. 1862, London. My g.g.father came from Kassel, Hesse - village just outside Kassel. I will name later. His father was John Adam Scherp, farmer.For some reason the family thought Adam [his brother]migrated with him, but got off the boat earlier. That could have been USA or the confusion may have been from Germany to UK.
    You are talking to Melbourne, Australia.

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    Thank you, I will look at that thread!

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    Tried to send PM with contact details ...your boxes are full!

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    There are a lot of bits missing from the 1861 census. You can check in the catalogue.

    http://discovery.nationalarchives.go...=range&_ro=any

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    The baptism for Henry b 1858 suggests that the mothers maiden name is BILL, the gro.gov.uk index suggests BELL, searching for the mother produces an 1851 census entry of BILL with a ?sister named Catherine, the first name give to Scherp's daughter

    Heinrich Scherp
    Gender: Male
    Baptism Date: 25 Dec 1857
    Baptism Place: White Chapel, Middlesex, England
    Father: Jakob Scherp
    Mother: Maria Elisabetha Bill

    Name: Jacob Scherp
    Year: 1862
    County or Borough: Tower Hamlets
    Ward or Division/Constituency: St Mary, Whitechapel
    Street address: Church-lane

    SCHERP, WILLIAM mmn BELL
    GRO Reference: 1868 D Quarter in WHITECHAPEL Volume 01C Page 378

    1851
    HO107; Piece: 1545; Folio: 543; Page: 3;
    3 Buckle Street Whitechape;
    Maria BILL 19 musician Germany
    Catherine BILL 17 musician Germany

    Marriage
    Name: Mary Bill
    Marriage Age: 22
    Birth Date: abt 1831
    Marriage Date: 28 Aug 1853
    Marriage Place: St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney, Tower Hamlets, England
    Father: James Bill
    Spouse: Jacob Schery cordwainer
    Father: Adam Schery
    I think the father's occupation is farmer or farrier
    Witness to marriage Catherine Bill +????

    Name: Catherine Scherp
    Record Type: Marriage
    Marriage Date: 3 Nov 1873
    Marriage Place: St George the Martyr, Southwark, England
    Father: Jacob Scherp shoemaker
    Spouse: Frederick Hapt shoemaker
    Register Type: Parish Register

    Catherine Haupt
    Death Age: 72
    Birth Date: abt 1854
    Registration Date: Mar 1926
    Registration district: West Ham Essex
    Volume: 4a Page: 219

    Is this sister Catherine's marriage?
    Name: Catherine Bill
    Gender: Female
    Marriage Age: 21
    Record Type: Marriage
    Birth Date: abt 1832
    Marriage Date: 24 Jul 1853
    Marriage Place: St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney, Tower Hamlets, England
    Father: James Bill
    Spouse: Henry Gresner

    Witness mary Bill
    Last edited by geneius; 14-11-2017 at 4:13 PM. Reason: aqdd'l info

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    Further bankruptcy?

    26 January 1867 - Globe - London, London, England
    at 2 Jacob Scherp, and Charles Freckmann. Church-lane. Whitechapel, provision dealers, Feb. 0, at 1

    I am sure I saw a 'Charles 'Frenchman' on the bottom of one of the census returns I was looking at !

    Electoral Registers
    Name: Jacob Scherp
    Year: 1862
    County or Borough: Tower Hamlets
    Ward or Division/Constituency: St Mary, Whitechapel
    Street address: Church-lane

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    Left UK 1873

    Name: Jacob Scherp
    Record Type: Oath
    Arrival Date: 1873
    Arrival Place: USA
    Oath Date: 8 Oct 1884
    Oath Place: New York, New York, New York, USA

    ??New Jersey, State Census, 1885
    Name: Mary Scherp
    Gender: Female
    Age: 20 To 60
    Birth Year: 1825-1865
    Residence Year: 1885
    Residence Place: Ward, Union, Hudson, New Jersey, USA
    Page Number: 13
    Household Members:
    Name Age
    Jacob Scherp Over 60
    Mary Scherp 20 To 60
    Albert Scherp 20 To 60
    Henry Scherp 20 To 60
    William Scherp 5 To 20
    Mary Scherp 5 To 20

    NAME: Henry Scherp
    BIRTH: abt 1858 - England
    RESIDENCE: 1930 - New Britain, New Britain, Hartford, Connecticut, USA
    NAME: Charles Scherp
    SPOUSE: Bertha Scherp
    BIRTH: abt 1861 - England
    ARRIVAL: 1873
    RESIDENCE: 1910 - New Britain Ward 3, Hartford, Connecticut
    Bertha Scherp 47
    Dorothy M Scherp 16

    1900; Census Place: Weehawken, Hudson, New Jersey; Roll: 974; Page: 32A; Enumeration District: 0062
    H William Scharp 31
    G Anne Scharp 25
    H William Scharp 4
    Janet Scharp 11/12
    Emma Bodee 16

    Name: Mary E. Scherp
    Gender: Female
    Age: 23
    Birth Date: 23 Aug 1874
    Marriage Date: 30 Jun 1897
    Marriage Place: Town of Union, Hudson, New Jersey, USA
    Spouse: Henry Schophart
    Record confirms mother Maria Elisabeth BILL

    Is this another child
    Name: Ludwig August Scherp
    Birth Date: abt 1866
    Birth Place: Philadelphia
    Death Date: 31 Aug 1867
    Death Place: Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
    Age at Death: 14 months
    Burial Date: 2 Sep 1867
    Gender: Male
    Race: White
    Cemetery: Lutheran
    Marital Status: Single
    Father: Jacob Scherp
    Mother: Mary Scherp

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