Hi guys, Im struggling to find a family in the 1861 england census.
The family consists of Jacob Scherp b1825 Prussia
Mary Scherp b1832 Prussia
Catherine Scherp b1854 Whitechapel
Henry Scherp b 1858 London
I have found them in the 1871 census, with their other two sons Charles b1861 and Albert b1863, But I cant find he Scherps in 1861 or in any census' after 1871, presumably with two of the children born in london, and the following two, also I found a bancruptcy notice in 1864 for Jacob listed in Whitechapel, So I presume in 1861 they are there somewhere. Ive tried various spellings, by the time Catherine married and had children her kids GRO said Sharp for mothers name, but no luck with this either, also no luck with birth gro records for the kids. I found a Catherine sharp birth in whitechapel in 1854, however that mothers maiden name was Peel, not very german.
So a bit confused.
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Thread: 1861 Census
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14-11-2017, 12:48 PM #1
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1861 Census
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14-11-2017, 1:22 PM #2
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Lunch beckons!
Just googled Jacob Scherp b 1825 a couple of hits have come up of others looking for the same family of researchers on ancestry boards, one response
My Great Grandfather Jacob (b. 1825) left Germany around 1850 and went to London. He and his wife had 5 or 6 children born in Whitechapel, London and then the family left England for the USA around 1872-3. I also see records for an Adam Scherp in the same section of London during the same time period.
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Yes, there are some similarities, i.e. Adam, Jacob, farming & Prussia! I don't have a lot of info: my gg parents, Johann Heinrich Scherp & Elizabeth Breuning married at Whitechapel on Jan. 2, 1859 & migrated to New Zealand in 1863, with three children, the third being my g. father Jacob Frederick Scherp b. 1862, London. My g.g.father came from Kassel, Hesse - village just outside Kassel. I will name later. His father was John Adam Scherp, farmer.For some reason the family thought Adam [his brother]migrated with him, but got off the boat earlier. That could have been USA or the confusion may have been from Germany to UK.
You are talking to Melbourne, Australia.
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14-11-2017, 1:48 PM #3
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Thank you, I will look at that thread!
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Tried to send PM with contact details ...your boxes are full!
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There are a lot of bits missing from the 1861 census. You can check in the catalogue.
https://discovery.nationalarchives.go...=range&_ro=any
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The baptism for Henry b 1858 suggests that the mothers maiden name is BILL, the gro.gov.uk index suggests BELL, searching for the mother produces an 1851 census entry of BILL with a ?sister named Catherine, the first name give to Scherp's daughter
Heinrich Scherp
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 25 Dec 1857
Baptism Place: White Chapel, Middlesex, England
Father: Jakob Scherp
Mother: Maria Elisabetha Bill
Name: Jacob Scherp
Year: 1862
County or Borough: Tower Hamlets
Ward or Division/Constituency: St Mary, Whitechapel
Street address: Church-lane
SCHERP, WILLIAM mmn BELL
GRO Reference: 1868 D Quarter in WHITECHAPEL Volume 01C Page 378
1851
HO107; Piece: 1545; Folio: 543; Page: 3;
3 Buckle Street Whitechape;
Maria BILL 19 musician Germany
Catherine BILL 17 musician Germany
Marriage
Name: Mary Bill
Marriage Age: 22
Birth Date: abt 1831
Marriage Date: 28 Aug 1853
Marriage Place: St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney, Tower Hamlets, England
Father: James Bill
Spouse: Jacob Schery cordwainer
Father: Adam Schery
I think the father's occupation is farmer or farrier
Witness to marriage Catherine Bill +????
Name: Catherine Scherp
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 3 Nov 1873
Marriage Place: St George the Martyr, Southwark, England
Father: Jacob Scherp shoemaker
Spouse: Frederick Haüpt shoemaker
Register Type: Parish Register
Catherine Haupt
Death Age: 72
Birth Date: abt 1854
Registration Date: Mar 1926
Registration district: West Ham Essex
Volume: 4a Page: 219
Is this sister Catherine's marriage?
Name: Catherine Bill
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1832
Marriage Date: 24 Jul 1853
Marriage Place: St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney, Tower Hamlets, England
Father: James Bill
Spouse: Henry Gresner
Witness mary BillLast edited by geneius; 14-11-2017 at 4:13 PM. Reason: aqdd'l info
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14-11-2017, 5:38 PM #7
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Further bankruptcy?
26 January 1867 - Globe - London, London, England
at 2 Jacob Scherp, and Charles Freckmann. Church-lane. Whitechapel, provision dealers, Feb. 0, at 1
I am sure I saw a 'Charles 'Frenchman' on the bottom of one of the census returns I was looking at !
Electoral Registers
Name: Jacob Scherp
Year: 1862
County or Borough: Tower Hamlets
Ward or Division/Constituency: St Mary, Whitechapel
Street address: Church-lane
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14-11-2017, 9:33 PM #8
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Left UK 1873
Name: Jacob Scherp
Record Type: Oath
Arrival Date: 1873
Arrival Place: USA
Oath Date: 8 Oct 1884
Oath Place: New York, New York, New York, USA
??New Jersey, State Census, 1885
Name: Mary Scherp
Gender: Female
Age: 20 To 60
Birth Year: 1825-1865
Residence Year: 1885
Residence Place: Ward, Union, Hudson, New Jersey, USA
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Jacob Scherp Over 60
Mary Scherp 20 To 60
Albert Scherp 20 To 60
Henry Scherp 20 To 60
William Scherp 5 To 20
Mary Scherp 5 To 20
NAME: Henry Scherp
BIRTH: abt 1858 - England
RESIDENCE: 1930 - New Britain, New Britain, Hartford, Connecticut, USA
NAME: Charles Scherp
SPOUSE: Bertha Scherp
BIRTH: abt 1861 - England
ARRIVAL: 1873
RESIDENCE: 1910 - New Britain Ward 3, Hartford, Connecticut
Bertha Scherp 47
Dorothy M Scherp 16
1900; Census Place: Weehawken, Hudson, New Jersey; Roll: 974; Page: 32A; Enumeration District: 0062
H William Scharp 31
G Anne Scharp 25
H William Scharp 4
Janet Scharp 11/12
Emma Bodee 16
Name: Mary E. Scherp
Gender: Female
Age: 23
Birth Date: 23 Aug 1874
Marriage Date: 30 Jun 1897
Marriage Place: Town of Union, Hudson, New Jersey, USA
Spouse: Henry Schophart
Record confirms mother Maria Elisabeth BILL
Is this another child
Name: Ludwig August Scherp
Birth Date: abt 1866
Birth Place: Philadelphia
Death Date: 31 Aug 1867
Death Place: Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Age at Death: 14 months
Burial Date: 2 Sep 1867
Gender: Male
Race: White
Cemetery: Lutheran
Marital Status: Single
Father: Jacob Scherp
Mother: Mary Scherp
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