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    I will work through all of those - but that last one is very interesting, as I have found nothing to connect Eliza Julia snr to any Slade and nothing on Susana Dine!

    This is all great stuff, thanks

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    Ok, lots there and will take me a while to work through it, but I can see lots of good info - I do know that there is a transcription error in the 1891 census and Kate Lewis is actually Kate Bushnell, daughter of John & Eliza. And yes, Robert Gee is the son of Robert Henry Gee and Eliza snr's daughter, Eliza Julia Wright Slade. And so far, I think that we are up to 5 husbands for Eliza snr? Was she some kind of black widow? LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by almach View Post
    Possible marriage

    Marriages Sep 1897, Gloucester, 6a 580
    Arthur Bushnell/Florence Isabel Compton
    Hi Debs, make what you will of these records, I don't want to influence you.

    BUSHNELL, CHARLES EDWARD, MMN COMPTON
    GRO Reference: 1904 D Quarter in CARDIFF Volume 11A Page 347

    BUSHNELL, ELIZA FLORENCE IRENE COMPTON
    GRO Reference: 1902 J Quarter in SWINDON Volume 05A Page 39

    WHITEHOUSE, KATHLEEN AMELIA COMPTON
    GRO Reference: 1908 S Quarter in CARDIFF Volume 11A Page 414

    WHITEHOUSE, DORIS EDITH COMPTON
    GRO Reference: 1911 J Quarter in CARDIFF Volume 11A Page 390

    1911, Cardiff, RG14; Piece: 32126; Schedule Number: 166
    Charles Whilehouse 42, labourer, Bath
    Florence Whilehouse 32, Gloucester, married 14yrs, 5 children born alive, 4 still living
    Irene Whilehouse 8, Swindon
    Charles Whilehouse 6, Cardiff
    Kate Whilehouse 2, Cardiff
    Edith Whilehouse 2/12, Cardiff

    Although indexed on Ancestry as Whilehouse, the original sheet does say WHITEHOUSE
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    Deaths Jun 1939
    Bushnell Florence I 60 Cardiff 11a 427

    I haven't as yet found a record of death for Arthur.

    Perhaps this is the one

    Deaths Jun 1923
    BUSHNELL Arthur C 55 Cardiff 11a 409
    Alma

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    The last record is interesting! Maybe there was no Moses or Peter Slade and Eliza registered the birth under her Mother's maiden name to conceal the baby's illegitimacy. I have also found the marriage record for Eliza and Philip Hall - they married in 1860, so it looks as though Ellen Matilda was indeed registered as Whitehouse.

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    Thanks for all your help - I have a very interesting time line for Eliza now! Just need to find a record for Peter of Moses Slade (if he did exist), a death record for husband Philip Hall and a birth or Baptism record for Charles P Hall or Whitehouse

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    Your DINE/DYNE link

    Name Charles Ryat Whitehouse
    Spouse's Name Eliza Dine
    Event Date 1833
    Event Place Wyke Regis, Dorset,

    Therefore Susannah nee Slade is your link and probably Eliza b 1834 was as you suggest never married Peter / Moses Slade

    a death record for husband Philip Hall and a birth or Baptism record for Charles P Hall or Whitehouse
    Think this could be Patrick not Philip! BGut look at the 1871 census if your family, it is now John!

    I’ve come across this for 1871 not a good match but possibly worth looking at
    RG10; Piece: 2010; Folio: 43; Page: 6;
    Alice Street Fordington
    John Hall 32 widower Invalided Soldier Ireland
    Ellen Hall 14 ( Ellen Matilda?) Greatham Lincs
    Charles Hall 11 ( Charles P ?) ??Derbyshire
    #Susan Hall 9
    ~Rosa Hall 6
    ^George Hall 4

    # HALL, SUSANNA RACHEL WHITEHOUSE
    GRO Reference: 1861 D Quarter in DORCHESTER Volume 05A Page 330

    ~ HALL, ROSE HARRIET WHITEHOUSE
    GRO Reference: 1864 J Quarter in DORCHESTER Volume 05A Page 360

    ^HALL, AMBROSE GEORGE WHITEHOUSE
    GRO Reference: 1866 S Quarter in DORCHESTER Volume 05A Page 333

    Is this Charles? Only Derbyshire I can see with a mmn Whitehouse
    HALL, PATRICK WHITEHOUSE
    GRO Reference: 1859 S Quarter in BELPER Volume 07B Page 446

    Maybe the purchase of a couple of the birth certificates will sort some of the ?'s

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    Interesting baptism
    Name: George Hall
    Baptism Age: 20
    Event Type: Baptism
    Birth Date: Jul 1866
    Baptism Date: 29 Jan 1887
    Baptism Place: Rathmines, Dublin city, Dublin, Ireland
    Residence Place: Dorchester, England
    Parish Variants: Rathmines
    Diocese: Dublin
    Father: John Hall

    Mother: Nk Nk


    1881
    RG11; Piece: 2111; Folio: 7; Page: 5
    Mill Street Fordington
    John Hall
    57 No occupation Co Clare
    George Hall
    14 Marien Store Coll Dorchester

    Name: Rose Harriett Hall
    Gender: Female
    Event Type: Baptism
    Baptism Date: 29 May 1864
    Baptism Place: Charminster, Dorset, England
    Father: John Hall

    Mother: Eliza Julia Hall


    1881
    RG11; Piece: 2111; Folio: 16; Page: 23;
    Mill Street Fordington
    Eliza Langdon
    29
    Owen Critchell
    22
    Rose H. Hull
    18
    (Nk)
    25

    Susanna Rachel
    Hall
    Female
    1861
    Baptised 22 Dec 1861
    Bradford-Peverell, Dorset, England
    Bradford Peverell
    Dorset
    England
    Father Patrick
    Hall
    Mother Eliza Julia

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    Yes, I am more and more inclined to believe that there was no such person as Moses or Peter Slade and that my 2nd Great Grandmother was illegitimate, which rather closes down that line of enquiry

    As for Philip - doh! You are indeed right, he was Patrick and I have no idea why I wrote Philip! Anyway, have ordered that birth certificate, so hopefully, that may enlighten us further. Interestingly, I found a Charles Hall on trial in Derbyshire in 1890 - he was tried for a misdemeanor 'attempted unnatural offense with a mare'! I have no way of telling if this was anything to do with our Charles Hall, so will leave that for the time being

    Yes, it's odd about the census records, look like a good match apart from the Father being John! But as Eliza often appears as either Eliza or Julia, probably not to be ruled out. I will pick another certificate and order that as well, see where that gets us.

    Shame that this line goes nowhere, as also have a dead end on Robert Henry's son's wife's line.......Edwin Gee married a Caroline Ellen Spencer, unfortunately, the Mother's name on her birth certificate isn't the name that I was expecting! Heyho!

    Thanks for your time, much appreciated

    Debs

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    Please let us know when the certificates arrive, it will be interesting to see what they reveal

    Jx

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