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    Hi Jen
    You have Elizabeth Goldsmid Phillips b 1834 in your last post. Is the Goldsmid her actual middle name and if so, why does it become Goldsmith? Why did John/Sarah adopt Charles William Kent?

    I would like to rule in or out the Goldsmid name.
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    Hi Phillip,

    Charles Kent was adopted by John & Sarah. His parents were James Kent and Ellen, born Williamson. His siblings were: Richard John, Charlotte, Johan and Susanna Maria Magdalena.
    Their parents were killed, so John & Sarah adopted Charles.

    I wrote the name Elizabeth GOLDSMITH Phillips to you yesterday, because due to her Borain marriage her name is listed by that family as Goldsmith and not Goldsmid.

    Elizabeth Goldsmid Phillips b. 9 Dec 1824, bapt 27 Nov 1842 by Rev James Barrow at Cuylerville (Entry 287).

    Note in this info: Henry Lyall b. 6 Oct 1827 Fish River Mouth, bapt 27 Nov 1842 by Rev James Barrow at Cuylerville (Entry 290). But he signs his name as LYONS.

    But in one son, Joseph Borain’s tree, he has Elizabeth GOLDSMID as his mother.
    Joseph, Edward Borain was born on May 8 1867, in Pietermaritzburg, Indlovu DC, KwaZulu-Natal, South Africa, to Valentine Borain and Elizabeth, Goldsmid Phillips.

    Will look into it more. .
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    Hi Jen
    Have you seen the original birth and baptism records for Elizabeth and Henry to confirm the accuracy of the spellings of the middle names. If they are Lyall and Goldsmith rather than Goldsmid and Lyons that opens up a wide range of possibilities regarding the origins/parents of John Phillips. If Henry signed his middle name Lyons rather than Lyall what was the reason? Did the vicar record names incorrectly and if so, why didn't the parents check the accuracy? Did the spelling of middle names not matter- I doubt this but you never know. Middle names can reflect original family names as we know so confirmation of what the spelling was is important in identifying John Phillips.

    Interesting that no one in the Phillips et al families knew the names of John's parents not even his son Henry. Why was this?

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    Hi Phillip
    Just to let you know that I am trying to get a copy of the original birth and baptism records for Elizabeth and Henry. As soon as I have anything, I will come back to you.
    I was looking at all the second names of John & Sarah's children:
    1.Henry Lyons
    2.Richard Hayhurst
    3.John ? (3rd – my direct relation)
    4.Thomas Leopold
    5.Joseph Edward
    6.Mary Dodgson
    7.Elizabeth Goldsmid/Goldsmith
    8.Julia Sarah
    9.Amelia Ann – (lived to the age of 108!! As Mrs Payne)

    Strange that John Phillips and his son John Phillips have not 2nd name!!
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