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    Hello,
    It has been a while since I have posted any questions but I am stuck.

    Philadelphia Williams was born in Qtr. 2 1873, Hastings, Sussex. Her parents were James Williams and Mary Ann Glazier. They married on 26th July 1873 at the parish church of Ore in Sussex. He was a 27 year old widower and she was 19 year old spinster. The difficulty I am having is finding out any more about James Williams, his father according to the marriage certificate is John Williams occupation "sweep". The 2 witnesses were both Glaziers. I cannot find him on the 1871 census, he was a mariner. I have also tried looking for a newspaper entry locally of the marriage without success.

    With such a popular name where do I look next? As I have not found him in any census records I cannot say what his place of birth was. Philadelphia turns up in Thanet, Kent in 1896 when she marries. Can anyone suggest what I should try next? Grateful for any suggestions.

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    Hi Diamond,

    Are you aware of these two possible siblings of Philadelphia?

    WILLIAMS, ELIZABETH, MMN GLAZIER
    GRO Reference: 1876 M Quarter in HASTINGS Volume 02B Page 14
    WILLIAMS, EMMA, MMN GLAZIER
    GRO Reference: 1877 S Quarter in HASTINGS Volume 02B Page 10
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    Another possible sibling.

    WILLIAMS, JOSEPH, MMN GLAZIER
    GRO Reference: 1879 J Quarter in HASTINGS Volume 02B Page 16
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    I wonder if they are calling themselves BROWN in 1881?

    1881, Church St, Ore, Hastings. RG11; Piece: 1021; Folio: 46; Page: 52
    Joseph Brown 27, Surrey unknown
    Mary A. Brown 27, Sussex Guestling
    Phillie Brown 7, Ore
    Emma Brown 3, Ore
    Joseph Brown 1, Ore
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    Perhaps James Brown is a second husband??? ETA: should be JOSEPH

    Joseph born Southampton, all other family Ore
    1891, 48, Church St, Ore, RG12; Piece: 758; Folio: 93; Page: 39
    Joseph Brown 37, fisherman
    Mary Brown 37
    Emma Brown 14
    George Brown 10
    Charlie Brown 7
    Dinah Brown 5
    Rose Brown 3
    Flossie Brown 6/12

    BROWN, DINAH, MMN GLAZIER
    GRO Reference: 1885 D Quarter in HASTINGS Volume 02B Page 17

    BROWN, ROSE AMELIA, MMN GLAZIER
    GRO Reference: 1888 S Quarter in HASTINGS Volume 02B Page 12
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    Perhaps James Brown is a second husband???
    ETA: As Dundee has pointed out he is JOSEPH not James

    I'm doubting James Brown (ETA should say Joseph) is a second husband and think it possible James Williams was an alias.

    In 1911 Joseph 57yrs, Mary 57yrs and their son Charley age 27yrs are in Bexhill Sussex, they are entered as married 38yrs which ties in with Mary's first marriage to James Williams, they've had 10 children, 7 are still living. Joseph is a fisherman born Southampton, Mary born Guesling and Charley born Ore.
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    1871, Ore, RG10; Piece: 1027; Folio: 105; Page: 77
    Charles Gibson 40, fisherman, Ore
    Dinah Gibson 40, Guestling
    Joseph Brown 15, son, fish hawker, Kingston Surrey
    James Brown 14, son, Kingston Surrey
    Phillis Brown 13, dau, Southampton
    Elizabeth Brown 12, dau, Southampton
    Thomas Brown 11, son, Southampton
    Charles Gibson 2, son, Ore
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    Birth registrations of the children all with mother's maiden name LEPPER

    GIPSON, CHARLES EDWARD LEPPER
    GRO Reference: 1869 M Quarter in HASTINGS Volume 02B Page 16

    BROWN, JAMES LEPPER
    GRO Reference: 1855 D Quarter in KINGSTON Volume 02A Page 153

    BROWN, JOSEPH LEPPER
    GRO Reference: 1854 M Quarter in HAMPSTEAD Volume 01A Page 469

    BROWN, ELIZABETH LEPPER
    GRO Reference: 1858 D Quarter in SOUTH STONEHAM Volume 02C Page 40

    BROWN, PHILLIS LEPPER
    GRO Reference: 1857 M Quarter in SOUTH STONEHAM Volume 02C Page 47

    BROWN, THOMAS LEPPER
    GRO Reference: 1861 M Quarter in SOUTH STONEHAM Volume 02C Page 49
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    In 1861, Dinah Brown a widow, is in the South Stoneham Union Workhouse with her children Joseph, James, Phillis, Eliza, Thomas and another daughter Matilda age 9yrs. RG 9; Piece: 682; Folio: 22; Page: 38

    BROWN, MATILDA LEPPER
    GRO Reference: 1852 S Quarter in STEYNING Volume 02B Page 218

    I've had no luck as yet in finding a marriage between Dinah Lepper and a Mr Brown, or for that matter a Mr Williams.
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    This seems to be Dinah's second marriage
    Oct - Dec 1862, Hastings, Volume: 2b, Page: 29
    Dinah Brown/Charles Edward Gipson
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