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    When I was searching last night I did wonder if Richard Thomas was perhaps born before Mary married John Thomas, there's about a five year age gap between Richard and Edward Griffith, of course one reason for the gap could be that Mary and John had babies/a baby who died in infancy. Finding Richard in 1891 would help, but with so many possibilities it could take some time.
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    Sometimes when you are looking for “missing” children they can be there under your noses ‘mis-recorded’. For years I could not find one of my great uncles in the 1901 census. His name was Thomas Llewellyn Roberts born in 1888, but he was also known as Jim, and at 12/13 years old he was old enough to be working away from home, so when after having done a number of fruitless searches I had given up.

    Then quite a long time later I had turned my attention to his mother’s family the Evans’ and eventually ‘twigged’ that a lot of them were occupying the same terrace of houses, where my great-grandparents were. My great grandparents were at number 14 with 6 children, and they appear right at the bottom of RG13; Piece: 5268; Folio: 127; Page: 15, so I was page turning that part of the census to see if I could spot any of her siblings in the rest of the terrace, and over the page in the next door house who did I see listed as a visitor? A 2 year old Thomas Ll Roberts. Mystery solved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pamelawagster View Post
    Name: Mary Jones
    [Mary Roberts]
    Age: 23
    Marriage Date: 4 Feb 1889
    Father: Griffith Roberts
    Spouse: John Thomas

    Marraige was in Holy Trinity Church, Ashton on Makerfield, Lancashire.Not sure why the names Jones but there is the name Roberts also on the transcription.

    Mary's address was Old Gasworks Hall Farm.

    Griffith Roberts was stated deceased, Jockey.

    An image of the cert is available to view on Ancestry.
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    This site also has a couple of the children's baptism

    Marriage: 4 Feb 1889 Holy Trinity, Ashton in Makerfield, Lancashire, England
    John Thomas - 33, Collier, Bachelor, Pewfall Colliery
    Mary Jones - 23, Spinster, Old Garswood Hall Farm
    Groom's Father: Richard Thomas, (deceased), Collier
    Bride's Father: Griffith Roberts, (deceased), Jockey
    Witness: Maurice Jones; Margaret Jones
    Married by banns by: W. J. Melville
    Register: Marriages 1878 - 1900, Page 95, Entry 190
    Source: Original Registers at Leigh

    Mary was born at Bodedern Anglesey N Wales

    Searching the 1871 Wales census in the village of Bodedern produces

    RG10; Piece: 5751; Folio: 24; Page: 7
    LLANFROG
    Griffith Roberts 38
    Magaret Roberts 35
    Griffith Roberts 12
    Thomas Roberts 10
    Margaret Roberts 8
    Mary Roberts 5
    Elen Roberts 3
    Cathrine Roberts 9 Months

    Looking at the witnesses, these could be Margaret her mother re married following the death of her father, or Margaret her sister.

    It is not unusual for Jones to marry Jones / Roberts to marry Roberts.

    Family History in that part of N Wales is usually passed on verbally....

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    The eldest child appears to be Griffith Roberts circa 1859, ironically a search for the mothers maiden name brings up 3 hits...ALL with the maiden name of JONES

    ROBERTS,*GRIFFITH*
    JONES *
    GRO Reference: 1859 *M*Quarter in ANGLESEY *Volume*11B *Page*529
    ROBERTS,*GRIFFITH* **
    JONES *
    GRO Reference: 1860 *M*Quarter in ANGLESEY *Volume*11B *Page*551
    ROBERTS,*GRIFFITH* **
    JONES *
    GRO Reference: 1860 *M*Quarter in ANGLESEY *Volume*11B *Page*561

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    Quote Originally Posted by geneius View Post

    Family History in that part of N Wales is usually passed on verbally....

    As somebody with family from that part of the world, and still living there, I think that statement is an erroneous assumption that does not sit well with all other good research that you do. Just because there are common names which makes life difficult does not make it impossible.

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    Changed to new thread.

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    mamagoose -

    I've moved your query re Edward CHALLINOR to its own thread which can be found here in the General Family History Queries forum.

    As Janet correctly pointed out Edward has no connection to Mary Roberts, so he needs his own thread.
    Thank you to Janet for alerting the mods.
    And a 'well-spotted' thanks to Dundee10 who moved their post to the new thread. (Saved me a job!)

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