Edgar Lay, b 1907, Leeds

[David Tuson]

I am currently staying with a friend in New Zealand's South Island and she has asked for help trying to discover her ancestors and have run out of ideas in tracing her father's ancestors.

From her father's birth certificate we have the following details:
DoB - 29 June 1907
Name - Edgar
Name of father - Edgar Lay
Name of mother - Ann Payne formerly Holson (on the GRO it was entered as HOLTON)
Address - 23 Recovery Street, Leeds

I cannot find Edgar's parents on either the 1901 or 1911 censuses.
My friend informs me that Edgar's surname became PAYNE!
So was Edgar born out of wedlock?
I cannot find any marriages of Lay/Payne or Payne/Holson.

On our friend's maternal line I have traced the ancestors back to the 1841 census but the paternal line has me confused.

I need a fresh set of eyes to resolve this puzzle.

Thanks
David

[maesglas/ssclub]

Is this him,


Birth Record for Edgar Lay
in the District of Leeds
Name
Edgar Lay
District
Leeds, Yorkshire West Riding
Page
398
Volume
9B
Registered
July - September 1907

[Peter Goodey]

So was Edgar born out of wedlock?

That's correct. The parents were not married.

As is usual in these circumstances, the birth is indexed under both PAYNE and LAY. This is simply to help you find the certificate.

[Peter Goodey]

In the 1911 census, Edgar appears to be living with the family under the surname PAYNE. There are other children, their birth certificates might be interesting.

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Census Transcript Household Yorkshire 1911
Images
Cover Address Household
Image Type
Normal Household
Address
81 Green St Newtown Leeds
Civil Parish
Leeds
Sub District
North Leeds
Registration District
Leeds
Image Reference
RG14 - PN26961 RD500 SD2 ED18 SN112
Found 6 Results.
Forename
Surname
Age
Year Born
Gender
Relation
Marriage Status
Years Married
Birth Place
Occupation


Edgar
Payne
34
1877
Male
Head
Married
13
Leicester, Leicester
Shoe Finisher


Ann
Payne
36
1875
Female
Wife
Married
13
Northampton, Northants



Gladys May
Payne
13
1898
Female
Daughter
Single
0
Northampton, Northants
Shoe Machinist


Annie
Payne
9
1902
Female
Daughter
Single
0
Leeds, Yorkshire
School


Lois
Payne
6
1905
Female
Daughter
Single
0
Leeds, Yorkshire
School


Edgar
Payne
3
1908
Male
Son
Single
0
Leeds, Yorkshire
School


And could this be the family

[David Tuson]

Is this him,


Birth Record for Edgar Lay
in the District of Leeds
Name
Edgar Lay
District
Leeds, Yorkshire West Riding
Page
398
Volume
9B
Registered
July - September 1907

Yes, that is him, thanks (also thanks from Hilary)

[David Tuson]

That's correct. The parents were not married.

As is usual in these circumstances, the birth is indexed under both PAYNE and LAY. This is simply to help you find the certificate.

Thanks Peter for cconfirming an assumption of mine

[David Tuson]

Census Transcript Household Yorkshire 1911
Images
Cover Address Household
Image Type
Normal Household
Address
81 Green St Newtown Leeds
Civil Parish
Leeds
Sub District
North Leeds
Registration District
Leeds
Image Reference
RG14 - PN26961 RD500 SD2 ED18 SN112
Found 6 Results.
Forename
Surname
Age
Year Born
Gender
Relation
Marriage Status
Years Married
Birth Place
Occupation


Edgar
Payne
34
1877
Male
Head
Married
13
Leicester, Leicester
Shoe Finisher


Ann
Payne
36
1875
Female
Wife
Married
13
Northampton, Northants



Gladys May
Payne
13
1898
Female
Daughter
Single
0
Northampton, Northants
Shoe Machinist


Annie
Payne
9
1902
Female
Daughter
Single
0
Leeds, Yorkshire
School


Lois
Payne
6
1905
Female
Daughter
Single
0
Leeds, Yorkshire
School


Edgar
Payne
3
1908
Male
Son
Single
0
Leeds, Yorkshire
School


And could this be the family

Many, many thanks. You have confirmed some of our friend's (Hilary) memories. At the moment she is trying to remember some of her aunt and uncles marriages - gets difficult when one gets past 70 years old !!!
David

[Peter Goodey]

1901 Census RG13/2986 f 117 p 22

Edgar Lay is with an Emma Lay and a son, Walter. In 1911, Emma is working as a housekeeper and Walter is with her.

It looks as if Edgar did a runner from Emma, took up with Ann and changed his name to avoid various possible complications.

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I like a spicy story lol
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