My grandmother's birth record

[PascalePC]

Thanks Christina. Yes, I guess the name Sollars could have come from anywhere and probably isn't important then. When you say you would be looking at Reginald's father's family links, how do you reckon more info there would help? Thanks

[christanel]

Hi
What I mean is that if you want to know where and why Reginald picked the surname Sollars to use on his marriage certificate then the connection may be with his father's family links as Sollars is a name more popular in Gloucestershire and George was born in Gloucestershire.
I did notice when searching the other day that there were a few Sollars in Yorkshire but I can't remember if it was the censuses or the 1939 register I saw them on.
This wouldn't help with knowing why Reginald chose to marry not using the surname Jones. Maybe search the newspapers of the time, just in case.
Christina

[PascalePC]

I see what you meant Okay, thanks Christina.

[PascalePC]

I’ve done some Sollars research and look what I’ve found…. In a nutshell I think George Jones and George William Edward Sollars are the same person.

Here we go…

*NB. William is the name George Jones gave to his 1st child with Margaret, and Edward is George Sollars’ middle name on Reginald’s marriage cert*

Birth record:
George William Edward Sollars
Baptism year 1863
Baptism date 04 Jan 1863
Baptism place Bristol, Temple, Gloucestershire, England
Father Samuel Sollars
Mother Sarah Ann Sollars

1st Marriage record:
GEORGE WILLIAM E SOLLARS
Q3, 1883
MarriageFinder™ GEORGE WILLIAM E SOLLARS married one of these people
Maria Hawker, Caroline Anne Smith
Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Volume 6A, Page 113

Death record:
GEORGE W E SOLLARS
Birth year 1863
Age 69
Q2 1932
Hull, Yorkshire
Volume 9D, Page 306


Stick with this, but I feel this 1901 census is correct:

1901 census:
27, Quarella Street, Barry, Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales
George Cooper. Head. Married. Male. 39. 1862. General Labourer. Offord D'Arcy, Huntingdonshire.
Francis Cooper. Wife. Married. Female. 37. 1864. Southoe, Huntingdonshire.
Walter Cooper. Son. Single. Male. 12. 1889. Southoe, Huntingdonshire.
William Cooper. Son. Single. Male. 11. 1890. Buckden, Huntingdonshire.
Charles Cooper. Son. Single Male. 5. 1896. Lutterworth, Leicestershire.
Jesse Anson. Boarder. Single. Male. 54. 1847. General Labourer Hambleton, Yorkshire.
Frederick Watts. Boarder. Single. Male. 28. 1873. General Labourer. Wicklewood, Norfolk.
George Jones. Boarder. Single. Male. 38. 1863. General Labourer Bristol, Gloucestershire.
George M Lacey. Boarder. Married. Male. 23. 1878. Musical Director. Maidenhead, Berkshire.
Dorothy E Lacey. Boarder Married. Female. 20. 1881. Actress London, Middlesex.


So there is a move from Bristol (where 1911 census says he was born) to Wales - i.e. where he possibly then meets Margaret (on 1911 census it says she was born in Wales) and she gave birth to their 1st son, William, in Cardiff.

George Jones is on that 1901 census as a general labourer - there are other general labourers living in that house and the head of the household is also a general labourer. They are all from England. On Reginald’s birth certificate (which I now have) in 1905, it says his father George Jones, was a general labourer.

Back to George Sollars. George is here (it says married) in 1881, living with his mother, his father is dead. Also living with him is his son and his brother and 2 sisters.

1881 census
Glass House Court, Bristol Temple, Bristol, Gloucestershire.
Sarah A Sollars Head. Widow. Female. 41. 1840. Laundress. Clifton, Gloucestershire.
George W Sollars. Son. Married. Male 18. 1863. Warehouseman. Bristol, Gloucestershire.
Henry Sollars. Son Single. Male 8. 1873. Scholar. Bristol, Gloucestershire.
Adelaide Sollars. Daughter. Single. Female 6. 1875. Scholar. Bristol, Gloucestershire.
Edith Sollars Daughter. Single. Female 4. 1877. Scholar. Bristol, Gloucestershire.
Sarah Jewson Boarder Single Female 64. 1817. Nurse (S M). Bristol, Gloucestershire.
Albert Ed Sollars. Grson. Single Male 0. 1881 - Bristol, Gloucestershire

Then in 1883 there is a marriage to Caroline Anne Smith

1st Marriage record:
GEORGE WILLIAM E SOLLARS
Q3, 1883
MarriageFinder™ GEORGE WILLIAM E SOLLARS married one of these people
Maria Hawker, Caroline Anne Smith
Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Volume 6A, Page 113

Then in 1891, he is living as the head, with his son and 2 sisters from the previous census, and his wife Caroline, a step-son, 3 sons and 2 daughters.

1891 census
Corbett Street, St George, Barton Regis, Gloucestershire, England
George W E Sollars. Head. Married. Male 28. 1863. Railway Goods Guard Bedminster, Somerset.
Caroline A Sollars. Wife. Married. Female. 44 . 1847. Tailoress Bedminster, Somerset.
Albert E Sollars. Son. Male. 10. 1881 Scholar Bristol, Gloucestershire.
Ethel M Sollars Daughter. Female. 6. 1885. Scholar. Bristol.
Nellie Sollars Daughter. Female. 5. 1886. Scholar. Bristol.
Frances G Sollars. Son. Male. 3. 1888 Scholar Bedminster, Gloucestershire.
Frederick C Sollars. Son. Male . 1. 1890. Gloucestershire.
Adelaide C Sollars. Sister. Single. Female. 17. 1874 Haymaker Bedminster, Somerset.
Edith T Sollars Sister Female 13. 1878. Haymaker. Bedminster, Somerset.
William Smith. Stepson. Single Male. 18. 1873 . General Laborer Bedminster, Somerset.

Then, by 1901, they had moved to Wales.

1901 census: (Here you can see his middle name is Edward, like on Reginald’s birth cert)
52, Cyfarthfa Street, Roath, Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales
Geo Wm Edw Sollars Head. Married Male. 38. 1863 Railway Goods Guard Bristol, Gloucestershire.
Caroline Annie Sollars. Wife. Married. Female. 53. 1848. Bristol, Gloucestershire
Clara Sollars Daughter. Single. Female. 18. 1883. Bristol, Gloucestershire.
Ethel May Sollars. Daughter. Single Female 17. 1884. Bristol, Gloucestershire.
Nellie Sollars Daughter. Single Female 15. 1886. Domestic Servant. Bristol, Gloucestershire.
Fredk James Sollars. Son. Single. Male. 11. 1890. Bath, Somerset.
Beatrice Sollars. Niece. Single. Female 4. 1897. Bristol, Gloucestershire.

I actually think this other 1901 census is ALSO him, now deciding he is George Jones, perhaps living with a friend who also gave him work as a labourer? I think in 1901 he separated from his wife and he is here:

1901 census where he is George Jones.
27, Quarella Street, Barry, Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales
George Cooper. Head. Married. Male. 39. 1862. General Labourer. Offord D'Arcy, Huntingdonshire.
Francis Cooper. Wife. Married. Female. 37. 1864. Southoe, Huntingdonshire.
Walter Cooper. Son. Single. Male. 12. 1889. Southoe, Huntingdonshire.
William Cooper. Son. Single. Male. 11. 1890. Buckden, Huntingdonshire.
Charles Cooper. Son. Single Male. 5. 1896. Lutterworth, Leicestershire.
Jesse Anson. Boarder. Single. Male. 54. 1847. General Labourer Hambleton, Yorkshire.
Frederick Watts. Boarder. Single. Male. 28. 1873. General Labourer. Wicklewood, Norfolk.
George Jones. Boarder. Single. Male. 38. 1863. General Labourer Bristol, Gloucestershire.
George M Lacey. Boarder. Married. Male. 23. 1878. Musical Director. Maidenhead, Berkshire.
Dorothy E Lacey. Boarder Married. Female. 20. 1881. Actress London, Middlesex.

There doesn’t seem to be a death record for George Sollars in Cardiff by the way, and I found THIS in 1906:

Marriage record:
CAROLINE ANNIE SOLLARS
Q2 1906
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ CAROLINE ANNIE SOLLARS married one of these people
William Joseph Skinner, Albert Milford
Cardiff,Glamorganshire, Wales
Volume 11A, Page 755

Then I found the 1911 census for Caroline Skinner, with her youngest son only (Frederick Sollars) living with her.

1911 census:

4 Aberdovey St Splott Cardiff, Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales
William Joseph Skinner Head. Married Male. General Labourer. 54 1857. London Bermondsey.
Caroline Ann Skinner Wife. Married. Female. 64. 1847. Bristol Somerset.
Frederick James Sollars. Son. Single Male. Railway Porter. 21. 1890 Bath Somerset.
Michael Russell. Boarder. Single. Male. General Labourer. 6. 1885. Dublin Ireland

Here is the 1911 census I knew about with George and Margaret Jones, with their 2 sons, William and Reginald:

George Jones. Head. Married Male. Marine Stoker. 48. 1863. Bristol Glostershire.
Margaret. Jones. Wife. Married Female. 34. 1877. Macoy Crommer Moor (*Maesycwmmer, Mon(mouthshire)*) Wales.
William Jones, Son, Male. School. 7. 1904. Cardiff Glam
Wyndham Jones, Son, Male, School. 5, 1906, Hull Yorks


I still need to try to find a marriage record for George and Margaret - maybe she had also been married before? I’ve got myself confused searching for this. Anyone else got any ideas?

What does anyone think about the Sollars connection research?

[PascalePC]

Back to Margeret (my grandmother, the one born 1923)

Reginald Wyndham Jones (said to have been born 1 May 1905) death registration March quarter 1982 Portsmouth registration district. He left a will. Might be worth getting. Cost you a tenner.
Pam

So I received the will. He is there as Reginald Wyndham Jones and he left money to: his wife after Hilda died: Ivy Winifred Jones, his daughter: Margaret Ingram, my dad and my uncle.

NB. At the time Reginald died, Margaret had (the year before) married again, so her surname was Thorne in 1982.

Margaret married twice after divorcing my grandfather, Roger Féat.

Her 3 marriages are here:

MARGARET JONES
Q1 1945
MarriageFinder™ MARGARET JONES married
Roger J Feat
Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Volume 2B, Page 1290

MARGARET FEAT
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1967
MarriageFinder™ MARGARET FEAT married Frederick H Ingram
Gosport, Hampshire
Volume 6B, Page 710

FREDERICK J THORNE
Q4 1981
MarriageFinder™ FREDERICK J THORNE married Margaret Ingram
Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Volume 20, Page 0615

Her death is here:

MARGARET THORNE
Birth day 31
Birth month 12
Birth year 1923 Q2
Death year 1985
Portsmouth, Register number 485
Volume 20, Page 576

I forked out and ordered the above marriage certs and death cert, in case they reveal a different maiden name for Margaret, other than Jones.

Anyone got any thoughts on either the George Jones/Sollars research or the Margaret whatever-her-surname-is (born 1923), research?

[almach]

I'll look through your Sollars research and get back to you, Pascale.

[Pam Downes]

I'll leave Alma to do the double-checking as I'm in the middle of some major work for myself and daren't lose my train of thought, but a quick read-through of it sounds good to me.
Definitely gold star level detective work.

Pam

[geneius]

My contribution

There doesn’t seem to be a death record for George Sollars in Cardiff by the way, and I found THIS in 1906:

Name:
George W E Sollars
Birth Date: abt 1863
Date of Registration: Jun 1932
Age at Death: 69
Registration district: Hull
Volume: 9d Page: 306

[almach]

a quick read-through of it sounds good to me.
Definitely gold star level detective work.

Pam

It looks good to me, Pascale. Well done Investigating, solving, and getting to the bottom of it must have given you a (well deserved) sense of achievement. As Pam said "Definitely gold star level detective work"

[almach]

When Ethel May Sollars married John Humphreys June 25 or 26 1902 at Roath Parish Church the witnesses were: George W E Sollars and Clara Sollars.