Bigamy? Lost a Lillycrapp

[MrsPoppy]

Thank you - I have been having another look at what I can, I am signing up for some proper access next week so that will make it easier. Plus some certificates are needed I think.

Mrs P

[geneius]

1851
Exeter Flying Post 06 March 1851

A Thomas Lillicrap was sentenced to 10 months imprisonment for stealing 20lbs of brass

1851
Devon County Prison
Thomas Lillicrapp
Age: 16
Estimated birth year:abt 1835
Relation: Prisoner
Gender: Male
Where born: Tavistock, Devon, England

Maybe not your man but seems young to stealing Brass and in an adult prison? Blacksmith journeyman maybe knows about Brass

[almach]

Sorry, Mrs P, I haven't found Thomas in 1851.

The only 'spare' Thomas Lillicrap I can find in 1851 is a butler, married, but born 1814 Stoke Damerel. I haven't found him in other census returns.
HO107; Piece: 1669; Folio: 780; Page: 17

[geneius]

Missing Thomas

Urania

Birth reg Chichester 1850

Baptised South Bersted Sussex 14 July 1850

Mother and children back in Southampton by 30 March 1851

I did note quite a few Lilycrap etc births with mmn BAKER in the Bridgwater Union.

[MrsPoppy]

Thank you Almach for looking for 1851 - did wonder for a start if he was in prison on the date of the 1851 census going by the information that Geneius found but I noticed it said he was only 16.

I jumped for joy when I first found the name Lillycrapp as I didn't realise there were 301 Thomas Lillycrapp/variations. Ha.. family history.

Geneius - birth of Urania to the 1851 census does mean they moved in that short time frame doesn't it. On my long list is now the birth certificate of Urania as I am curious to see what address and occupation the family were at.

I also need to check out the GRO for births with MMN of Baker.

I realised going back over research that I had actually got a copy of the accident in the sugar mill, I have some access to the newspapers through the library system and they are not as comprehensive as the pay per view sites. I have a copy of an article from the 'Era' newspaper of Nov 23rd 1862 which describes the accident but names the man as 'James Lillicrapp'. I had put it on one side as a piece of interest but hadn't thought it might be Thomas even though it was the correct year. I have checked freebmd and there is no death that I can see for a James Lillicrapp so it has to be my Thomas and the newspaper article you found has his name correct.

A similar thing occurs with Elizabeth Ann's death announcement in the newspaper in 1869, it says 'at Haslar Elizabeth Ann Lillycrapp eldest daughter of the late Thomas Parker, baker of Fareham - her father was not Thomas Parker a baker who lived in Fareham but was in fact 'Thomas Parker Baker' of Fareham. If I had not already known that the newspaper announcement could have had me puzzled. That one out of place comma turned his name into something else entirely.

Mrs P

[Darcy Martin]

I have Lillicrops' (various spellings) in my family tree. They were from near Merton and Hatherleigh, Devonshire.

[MrsPoppy]

Hello Darcy Martin

Thank you for your post. My main Lillycrapps are from Southampton and then moving into the Nottingham area. I will keep a look out when I revisit the research to see if Merton or Hatherleigh come up.

Mrs P

[Darcy Martin]

I'd appreciate that. Thank you