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[christanel]

Thanks Alma
I was lost too so needed to go over it again.
It is raining again so will see if I can take it any further.
Christina

[almach]

On the 1871 census there's a son Peter age 2 born Armagh Ireland
Also in 1881 there's a daughter Catherine age 0.

CUNNINGHAM, CATHERINE, MMN CANNON
GRO Reference: 1880 D Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 46

Peter Cunningham, baptised 17th Nov 1868, Creggan Upper, Armagh and Louth, Ireland, Crosmaglen, or Crossmaglen
Father: Patrick Cunningham, Mother: Cath Cannon

Both have MMN listed as CANNON the baptism for Patrick (MMN Kennon) could be written as heard by the officiating minister.

1871, 39, Bentick St.
Patrick Cunningham 30, labourr, Ireland, Mayo
Catharine Cunningham 27, Ireland
Peter Cunningham 2, Ireland, Armagh
Bridget Cunningham 4, Ireland, Armagh
Patrick Cunningham 1 Month, Liverpool

Name: Bridget Cunningham
Baptism Age: 0
Baptism Date: 5 Sep 1866
Baptism Place: Creggan Upper, Armagh and Louth, Ireland
Parish Variants: Crosmaglen, Crossmaglen
Diocese: Armagh
Father: Patrick Cunningham
Mother: Cath Cannon

[christanel]

Hi
I am ignoring previous posts/assumptions about a Bernard Cunningham being involved in this family.


1871 RG10 Piece 3764 Folio 121 Page 62
39 Bentick Street Liverpool
Patrick Cunningham 30 Labourer Mayo Ireland
Catherine 27 Mayo? Ireland
Bridget 4 Bridget Armagh
Peter 2 Armagh Ireland
Patrick 1 month


1871 census was the night of 2 April 1871 so Patrick born early March.

Christina
Snap Alma - We are on the same page

[almach]

Christina
Snap Alma - We are on the same page

Great minds, Christina

[almach]

Hi and welcome to the British Genealogy Forums

The parents of the family at 39 Betnick St are Patrick and Catherine.

There's this baptism for Patrick with the right parents names, I cannot find a corresponding birth registration, can you please give details of the birth certificate you have?

Baptism, St Alban's Church, Lancashire
Patricius Cunningham, born 21 Feb 1871, Baptised 26 Feb 1871
Father Patricii Cunningham, Mother Catharina Kennon

Well, I'm stumped, Christina. I can't find a birth registration for Patrick early 1871. I did find the above baptism before and wonder if KENNON is a misheard CANNON. If so, perhaps Patrick wasn't born in Liverpool but Ireland, just before the family set off for Liverpool, it's the only explanation I can think of, that, or they never got round to registering the birth.

[almach]

Little Bridget, age 4 in 1871 census died in 1873

Name: Bridget Cunningham
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Registration Year: 1873
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 6
Registration district: Liverpool

[christanel]

That baptism looks good to me Alma. Cannon in a thick Irish brogue could easily be misunderstood as Kennon, or in my Lancashire accent for that matter!
You'd think his parents would remember where he was born as he was only just over a month old, but whether Ireland or Liverpool getting a birth reg for him is not critical in this case because of all the other sibling's births that can be used to determine the mother's maiden name.
Christina

[almach]

It will be a miracle if we get further back Both Patrick Cunningham and Catherine Cannon were very popular names in Ireland. It helps that we have a county for Patrick, but not much.

We could do with finding their marriage, ha ha But that will have to wait for another day for me!

[cunningham47]

Thanks christanel you are on the right track.
Marriage for my Mum /Dad

St James church RC Chesnut Grove 1932 district West Derby County Bootle.
11th April 1932 James Cunningham aged 29 years occupation clerk bachelor address 40 Clifford St
Ann Hazlett age 24yrs spinister domestic address 54 Audley St
James' father Patrick Cunningham dock labourer
Ann's father Thomas Hazlett deceased dock labourer
No mothers name

Burial Ford cemetery headstone
Our dear mother and father
Mary Elizabeth Cunningham
Died 8th Feb 1923 aged 49
Patrick Cunningham
Died 8th july 1935 aged 64
Also Alice Mathieson their daughter died 14th may 1931 aged 20 yrs
Grave plot number wd 135 plot owner John Cunningham
Alice Mathieson 38 Holywell St l20 age 20 burial 21/5/1930 [ different from above will check with diocese]
Patrick Cunningham the cancer hospital age 64 yrs buried 11/7/1935
James Cunningham Alder Hey hospital l12 age 3 mths burial 5/3/1936 [James and Ann's baby, my brother].
Patrick Cunningham 552 Hawthorne Rd age 44 burial 5/3/1942 [dads brother]
Edward Cleary 107 Rice Lane [Walton hospital] 60 yrs burial 6/4/1943 Johns father-in-law
James Cunningham 107 Rice Lane age 44 yrs burial 21/3/47 . My dad died 10 days before my birth.

Spoke to Catholic Diocese about who was interred in grave and was told Mary Elizabeth was in a public grave, shock to us all.
Alice Mathieson dates are a year out so will check them out
Alice is dad's younger sister who gave birth to a daughter Mary and she was brought up by dads brother John as Mary Cunningham, Mary's marriage index mentions her name as Cunningham/Mathieson.

Death certificate number 254
Patrick Cunningham age 65 coal heaver of 61 Conway St Bootle
Blood poisoning through injury to right hand.
Certified by deputy coroner for Liverpool inquest held on ? March 1905
Death reg 8/3/1905

Will check now for his death records.
Sorry for capitols I was half way through before I realised.
I have copious amounts of paper work if you want more info just ask

[christanel]

Hi
I took the liberty of changing the type to lower case to make it easier on the eyes


You seem to have the later years in Lancashire well covered and I think we are on the right track as far back as the 1871 census but finding records in Ireland is notoriously difficult. As Alma said there are numerous Patrick Cunninghams and Catherine Cannons (and variations.)
I will leave it for now as have a plumber and electrician coming but will take another look when things settle down.
Christina