Freda KARCHINSKY/KORCHINSKY & Jacob SYVAN

**jaquigee** · 15-12-2016, 11:34 PM

So i was wondering if my father had a bar mitzvah and if these were recorded anywhere? Knowing my dad was in Spittalfields in the 1947 census, and I dont have any idea how to find them before this date, when my dad was 13. 1934 ..when he must pf had this ceremony. Thank you so much. Hopefully if we find anything there may be some family names
regards
Jaqui Gee

**Ladkyis** · 16-12-2016, 9:29 AM

There was no 1947 census so what records tell you he was in Spitalfields in 1947?

**kevininlondon** · 16-12-2016, 1:37 PM

Hi you say below 'Maybe they only had a Jewish "union". Sorry what do you mean by union; a Jewish wedding is like any other wedding and is as legal. Think they are not going to marry in a church.

Originally Posted by jaquigee

yes, that tree is mine! Freida left from Hamburg, 3 babies, expecting to find Phillip. But he was no where and Phillip's family didnt want to help her. So I cannot imagine the hardship she experienced. Unable to read or write and only spoke Yidas legal dish. We have been looking at the poor shelters and Freida had to put her babies for a while in an orphanage. In the meanwhile Phillip had gone back to his home town, Grajewo, and remarried, had a large family, and they died in Treblinka. Is it at Treblinka or in? So there are no records for the town of Korycin where Freda was supposedly born. There was a massive pogrom in 1903-1906 that the Cossacks and the Czar enjoyed, and hence the flee. In the war all the Jews were deported.You may be right that they didnt marry, although they were both religious. Maybe they only had a Jewish "union". Thank you for all the help, really..
Jaqui

**jaquigee** · 16-12-2016, 4:47 PM

Originally Posted by Ladkyis

There was no 1947 census so what records tell you he was in Spitalfields in 1947?

Name Daniel B
Date of Registration 1947 - Apr-May-Jun[1947]
Registration district Stepney
Inferred County Middlesex
Spouse Sylvia
Volume Number 5d
Page number 1642
Sylvan, Kram Or Jacobs - 5d 1642
Household Members
Name Age
Sylvia Kram
Daniel B Sylvan
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**jaquigee** · 16-12-2016, 4:48 PM

you are right.Not Spittalfields. sorry. I will look to see if there 1934

**jaquigee** · 16-12-2016, 4:49 PM

Name Daniel Barnett Sylvan
Year 1946
County or Borough Tower Hamlets
Ward or Division/Constituency Stepney
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**Nicola1234** · 09-05-2018, 8:16 PM

Hi, my grandfather was Henry Cywan ( mentioned in a previous post) and his children were Ada, jules and Jessie and his first wife was Helen Cywan. I don’t know of his ancestry but would be interested if you have any further information 😃 thanks

**Nicola1234** · 09-05-2018, 8:20 PM

Hi, my grandfather was Henry Cywan and this record is him and his family. I would be interested in where you found this information and the record of Ada in particular. Also if you know any other information i would love to know. Thank you!!

Originally Posted by jaquigee

this is from a friend of mine who sent this to me ages ago. I could find any connection between the my dads family and this... But as it states, we have nothing to go on.

The 1911 census of 7 Bow St., London lists Henry Cywan (37), a men's hairdresser born in Warsaw, his wife Helen (32), born in Wloclawek, their daughter Ada (11), born in Warsaw, and two London-born children, Julius (8) and Jessie (4-1/2). Ada was naturalized in 1930. The record is closed until 2031. Do you suppose these people could have been related to Freda's second husband? To me, it seems a better bet than Sylvan, but we don't have much to go on

**jaquigee** · 09-05-2018, 8:42 PM

Nicola1234
shlomobg AT aol DOT com Sheldon Beckerman may be able to help. He has an extensive family tree with Cywans as well. I think those names you have I got from the UK telephone directory. Im still trying to find that info Hold on..