Birth look ups

[peanut]

Hi

1939 living at 6 Lilly Court Manchester
John William Platt, Hawker b. 10/11/1888
Emily Platt , Office cleaner b. 22/9/1881
John Henry Holder Van driver b. 26/1/1881

Peanut

[valg]

I have looked at this several times.It appears to be a lodging house for single and married men,all ages all kinds of employment,labourers,carters,porters,dyers etc.On the first page it states ' Inmates of lodging house'.

1911
Class: RG14; Piece: 23930; Page: 5

Christopher Ayers
36
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Lodger

Married
Pit Tinker for coal mines

The Model Lodging House
21 Barrack St
Hulme

Now that is interesting.
His birth and christening have him as James Christopher Ayers, when he married Emily he seemed to aquire another name and was John James Christopher Ayers.
1881 census he is James C Ayers RG11; Piece: 3984; Folio: 101; Page: 41; Manchester
1891 he is Christopher Ayers. RG12; Piece: 3247; Folio: 116; Page: 15 Manchester
I haven't found him in 1901, but as they had another child in 1904 he must have been around somewhere, Emily is living with her mum and 2 daughters in 1901.

[valg]

Peanut thank you looks like this is them with Margaret listed as Cissie. Her other 2 daughters were living with relatives.
Must have forgotten she had 3 children!

[valg]

A little help please.
Emily Holder Manchester 1878.

Emily Holder married John James Christopher Ayers in 1897.
John J C Ayers died in 1906.
2 children
Frances Louisa 1898
Nellie 1900.
1901 Emily and the 2 girls are living with Emily Ayers Mother Mary Ann Morris ( Nee Hampson prev Holder)
Manchester: RG13; Piece: 3705; Folio: 56; Page: 25
John Ayers is not with them.

1911 Nellie is still with her Gran, Mary Ann, and Frances Louisa is with her uncle.

Haven't found Emily in 1911

Emily remarries in 1917 to John William Platt, now looking at John William Platt Army record it is noted:
Children: ( Emily and John were not married at the time, they married later that year.)

Margaret Ayers..adopted daughter
Fred Platt Illegitamate son by Emily Ayers
Marion Platt Illegitamate daughter with Emily Ayers No ages for children.

I am asking if members could try and find births for these 3 children.
Only Margaret I can find is a Margaret E Ayers 1913 Chorlton..this is not the one as I have checked it already and found the baptism for this Margaret.
Many Thanks. Val


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J J C Ayers( Christopher ) apparently didn't die in 1906...

[valg]

Found a Christopher Ayers born Hulme Dec 1907 and died Dec 1907....laying bets this was another child of Emily and Christopher..a birth cert would confirm, but not sure I am willing to pay $20au to find out.

[valg]

Emily Ayres and 3 girls France's L, Nellie and Margaret (1904) are on the Mancheater Workhoue Register in 1904. Admitted 31 October 1904.

Margaret was born in that quarter so perhaps she was there for her birth.
I only have a sub to Ancestry and those records I think are on FMP

[valg]

Army service records for John William Platt are on Ancestry. Included in these is a memorandum stating the death of his step daughter Margaret Ayers 1918 and also has a copy of her death cert.

Possible 1911
39 Park St
Hulme

RG14PN23873 RG78PN1380A RD464 SD4 ED8 SN126

John W Platt Hawker 26
Emily Platt Lodger 28 Married
Cissie Platt Lodger -5 Female
States Married 6 yrs ,1 child born,living.

Definitely having senior moments, can't find things that should be easy! I cannot for the life of me find this census entry on Ancestry

[Pamelawagster]

I have sent you a private message.

[valg]

I have looked at this several times.It appears to be a lodging house for single and married men,all ages all kinds of employment,labourers,carters,porters,dyers etc.On the first page it states ' Inmates of lodging house'.

1911
Class: RG14; Piece: 23930; Page: 5

Christopher Ayers
36
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Lodger

Married
Pit Tinker for coal mines

The Model Lodging House
21 Barrack St
Hulme

Looks like he and Emily must have separated by this time as she had a son to William Platt in 1912...found a death that fits him in Lancashire in the 1950s.

[Pamelawagster]

Sent another private message.