ferguson

[peterwinrow]

ok guys i need some help (just a little for now )
i have a Robert brisco Ferguson born 1887 1888 in Aspatria Cumberland married a mary coulthard malaney in 1909 cockermouth cumberland, died in halifax 1937 also i have the electoral registers for him and his wife in halifax ..
but what i need is a definite link to his mother and father whom i think was joseph and margaret
i have his bmd records for birth,marriage and death also 1911 census
BUT the earlier censuses is a cause for concern

hoping for you guys to give some help
kind regards

[christanel]

Possible but doesn't help with parents names. You could get the answer you need by purchasing the birth certificate as shown on FreeBMD
1901 RG13 Piece 4876 Folio 88 Page 3
Newtown Aspatria
John Oliver 50 coal miner Aspatria
Margaret Oliver 45 wife Maryport
Robt B Ferguson 13 son Cumdivac
Joseph Ferguson 10 son Maryport, Cumberland
Annie Oliver 4 Aspatria,

So it looks like his mother remarried (after the death of his father?) or the two boys were illegitimate.

Edited to add:-
Possible marriage John Oliver to Margaret Ferguson Dec 1/4 1894 registration district Cockermouth

Christina

[Pam Downes]

i have his bmd records for birth,marriage and death also 1911 census

I presume what you mean is that you have is a note of the entries in the GRO Index.
The big question is - is Robert a direct ancestor? If the answer is 'yes' then I cannot emphasise enough that you need to buy his marriage and birth certificates, the latter of which will definitely identify his parent(s).

Where have you got the names of Joseph and Margaret from?

I have a feeling that this might be Robert in the 1901 census.
Living in Aspatria and Brayton. RG13/4876 folio 88 page 3

John Oliver, head, 50, coal miner, Aspatria
Margaret Oliver, wife, 45, Maryport
Robt B Ferguson, son, 13, (birthplace transcribed on Ancestry as Cumdivac, and Cumberland on FMP)
Joseph Ferguson, son, 10, Maryport
Annie Oliver, daur, 4, Aspatria

There's a marriage in December quarter 1894 Cockermouth registration district with a John Oliver and a Margaret Ferguson on the same page.

Robert's birth was registered in Carlisle registration district, June quarter 1887. I did wonder therefore if the enumerator was transcribing from the original household schedule a very badly written Carlisle, but looking at the places in Carlisle registration district there's one called Cummersdale.
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/d.../carlisle.html

I did wonder if Brisco was Robert's mother's (presumably Margaret based on the 1901 census) maiden name, but there's no Margaret Brisco marrying a Ferguson in England or Wales 1870-1890. Nor indeed, any Brisco-Ferguson marriage between those dates.

Also I can suggest at the moment is that, using a process of elimnation, you check out on the 1891 census the various Robert Fergusons born in Cumberland between say 1886 and 1890; see who you get left with, and then try to connect that one/ or one of them with Robert Brisco.

Pam (the s-l-o-w typist )

[christanel]

1891 RG12 Piece 4310 Folio 100 Page 37
Ellenborough
Joseph Fergusson 40 Stone Mason Blindcrake, Cumberland
Margaret 35 Maryport, Cumberland
Elizabeth 8 Maryport, Cumberland
Robert B 3 born Dalston,
Mary A 1 Aspatria
Joseph 1 month Netherton, Cumberland


Christina

[christanel]

Snap Pam

There are two possible marriages for a Joseph Ferguson to a Margaret 1879 -1894 so the most reliable way to go is to purchase Robert B's birth certificate.
Christina

[christanel]

I THINK the Joseph Jackson Ferguson who is on the same page as Margaret Ellen Lonsdale FreeBMD marriage September 1/4 1881 registration district Whitehaven was born in Lancashire but living in Whitehaven in the 1901 census with Margaret E and their 9 children.
So that leaves the marriage of Joseph Ferguson to Margaret Marincovich Dec 1/4 1881 Cockermouth reg district.


BUT the birth cert for Robert B will be the proof.
Christina

[almach]

1891 RG12 Piece 4310 Folio 100 Page 37
Ellenborough
Joseph Fergusson 40 Stone Mason Blindcrake, Cumberland
Margaret 35 Maryport, Cumberland
Elizabeth 8 Maryport, Cumberland
Robert B 3 born Dalston,
Mary A 1 Aspatria
Joseph 1 month Netherton, Cumberland


Christina

I'm wondering if Margaret was a widow when she married Joseph Ferguson.

Marriages Dec 1881, Cockermouth 10b 921
Ferguson Joseph
MARINCOVICH Margaret

Name Geralam Francisco Marincovich
Birth Date 1850
Age 27
Spouse's Name Margaret Brisco
Spouse's Birth Date 1856
Spouse's Age 21
Event Date 22 Aug 1877
Event Place Cross-Canonby, Cumberland, England
Father's Name Giacomo Marincovich
Spouse's Father's Name Robert Brisco

[Pam Downes]

1891 RG12 Piece 4310 Folio 100 Page 37
Ellenborough
Joseph Fergusson 40 Stone Mason Blindcrake, Cumberland
Margaret 35 Maryport, Cumberland
Elizabeth 8 Maryport, Cumberland
Robert B 3 born Dalston,
Mary A 1 Aspatria
Joseph 1 month Netherton, Cumberland


Christina

Clever you.

Wondered why I hadn't found Margaret then realised that the surname is spelt with two 's'.

Pam

[Pam Downes]

I'm wondering if Margaret was a widow when she married Joseph Ferguson.

Marriages Dec 1881, Cockermouth 10b 921
Ferguson Joseph
MARINCOVICH Margaret

Name Geralam Francisco Marincovich
Birth Date 1850
Age 27
Spouse's Name Margaret Brisco
Spouse's Birth Date 1856
Spouse's Age 21
Event Date 22 Aug 1877
Event Place Cross-Canonby, Cumberland, England
Father's Name Giacomo Marincovich
Spouse's Father's Name Robert Brisco

That's spooky, Alma.

As I said previously, I'd looked for a Margaret Brisco/Ferguson marriage without success and I'm now closing down all the opened windows I'd had in my search, one of which was the Margaret Brisco/Geralamo Marincovich marriage on FreeBMD. Thought 'that Italian-sounding name rings a bell', scuttled here to comment to Christina and found your post.

May I offer the 1861 census.
Living in Crosscanonby. RG9/3941 folio 73 page 45
Robert Brisco, 33, coal trimmer, Bssenthwait
Elizabeth, wife, 37, Isell
John G, son, 11, Isell
Margaret, daur, 5, Maryport
Mary Ann, daur, 1, Maryport
Ann, mother, widow, 72, Bassenthwait

Missed off Robert W, nephew, 19, Seamans Ab, Whitehaven

Pam

[almach]

1871, Crosscanoby. RG10; Piece: 5247; Folio: 21; Page: 36
Robert Brisco 43, Grocer and coal trimmer, Bassenthwaite, Cumberland
Elizabeth Brisco 47, Blinderake Cumberland
John G Brisco 21, Blinderake Cumberland
Margaret Brisco 15, Maryport
Mary A Brisco 11, Maryport
Robert Brisco 8, Maryport