Trying to find Rose Collins birth abt 1894

[rose smith]

Hi almach, Yes my Rose did marry John William Marks in 1915

Thank you Rose

[rose smith]

apologies if I've confused the matter

Hi Wimsey, No problem I am confused myself lol.

[Sandyhall]

I'm a bit confused as well LOL and that's not unusual for me especially when like today I've been to hospital.

So both the Rose Constance and the Rose Florence that where found are not the person you are looking for.

When getting certificates you can ask for a Cross Reference as you have the mothers name Alice as well as Rose and Ethel. They charge you but if its not the right person they give you a refund.

[Sue Mackay]

As this has turned into a research thread I have moved it from Introduce Yourself to the London forum.

[rose smith]

Hi Sandyhall, Yes waste of money but I just get excited and ordered in case lol, should have got them checked first. I just think her birth has be be somewhere especially as her sisters birth was registered 2/3 years earlier. Unless of course she had Rose out of wedlock too and because she felt ashamed she didnt bother registering her birth. Apparently when her husband remarried, his new wife burned all the photos so assuming she burnt everything that belonged in the past! Apparently Alice never mentioned any family so there is no information that I can go back to so its another brick wall. When Alice married a Bickle she stated she was single but her granddaughter said she was previously married, I think she hid the truth. Such a shame I only have her death certificate, I keep looking at the picture I have of my dad with his parents when he was about 2 hoping she will give me answers lol

Thanks for the help Rose

[rose smith]

Hi sue, I am not good navigating this site, how do I find London forum please?
Thanks Rose

[wimsey]

from Home page go to County Forums (beneath History Topics) - England Counties - London Main Forum

if you are reading this post you are now in the London Main Forum ! (you were when you read Sue's message) - the top of the page tells where you are in relation to home, bit like a Russian doll - one inside another inside another etc.

[geneius]

Struggling like all the others
1901
Alice Collins 41
Ethel Collins 9
Rose Collins 7


1901
Florence St Plaistow West Ham
John M Bickle 45
Florence O Bickle 15
William H Bickle 13
Nellie L Bickle 9
Ernest V Bickle 7
Maud D Bickle 5
Alice Collins 41 widow visitor 1860 Clerkenwell

Marriage Place:
Canning-Town, Essex, England
Name: Alice Collins
Age: 41
Birth Date: 1860
Marriage Date: 7 Apr 1901
Father: Henry Collins
Spouse: John Munson Bickle

1911
88 Siebert Road, Westcombe Park, Blackheath Road, Kent, London S E
John Bickle 56
Ernest Bickle 17
Maud Bickle 15
Rose Collins 17 Step Daughter Don servant Plaistowe

1911
89 Kyrle Road, West Side, Clapham Common S W
Nellie Lavinia Rickle 19
Alice Rickle 52 visiting stepdau

John M BICKLE died 1913

Alice BICKLE died 1950

Spent sometime trying to get my head around this.

Rose Collinsb 1894 'Stow ( Plaistowe) is with the BICKLE family in 1911, Alice prev Collins is visiting her step dau

1901
Alice is on the 1901 census as a visitor of John M BICKLE who she married a few days later AND with 2 children Ethel & Rose

I cannot see a baptism for Ethel b 1891/2 Poplar

Can you let us have some references to where you have found information to include the witnesses on all marriage certificates held and appropriate

[rose smith]

Hi Geneius, Yes this is the family!
Ethel Maud Collins Baptism 14/6/1891 at St Michael & All Angels, Bromley. Living at 3 St.Leonards Avenue Bromley, Poplar. Parents Henry Collins driver Mother Alice Collins found info on Ancestry.

" " " Birth certificate 28/5/1891 name and surname of father has a line through, mother Alice Collins general servant.

Marriage of Alice Collins (spinster) to John Munson Bickle (widower) 7/4/1901 West Ham, living Florence Street. Alice states her father as Henry Collins and occupation as Carman.
witnesses Adolphus Wortley and Margaret Savory Coughlin.

Marriage of Rose Constance Collins to John William Marks 18/2/1915 The register Office, Poplar. witnesses Ann Marks and Edith Coughlin. Rose's father HENRY COLLINS (deceased) occupation Carman

Death certificate of Rose Constance Marks 24/4/1939 age 45 years died of TB in St.Andrews Hospital, Poplar


Thank you for finding Alice on 1911 census!

[geneius]

Thank you for your comprehensive reply, hopefully some of the others who looked at this post may now re visit it

What I do not understand is why Alice Collins is on the 1901 census with the 2 girls and with the BICKLE family. There are cases of duplication but only rarelt

Thank you for finding Alice on 1911 census!

Tip Use * instead of a letter i.e *ickle