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    Default Shoemaker/Cordwainer North Yorkshire

    My Great Great Grandfather was named Batty, I think this is the correct spelling but it could be Battie
    He had a Daughter Isabella, who according to the Census was born in Hawes North Yorkshire. I have tried to trace him in the Census but have had no luck, his wife Margaret I can find and children. I need basically to know where he was born. There are possibilities in Sedbergh & Dent. As he as a shoemaker was it possibly that he travelled repairing, making footwear and therefore missed the census. Any ideas would be appreciated

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    Just a little background to give a timeframe we are looking at for those wanting to help..
    1881 RG11 piece 4160 folio 95 page 35
    10 Ellen Street, Nelson, Great and Little Marsden
    Henry Preston 32 head Carter Briercliffe, Lancashire
    Isabell Preston 27 wife Hawes, Yorkshire
    Margaret A. Preston 5 dau Nelson, Lancashire
    Willie Preston 3 son Nelson, Lancashire
    Margaret Batty 65 mother-in-law Hawes, Yorkshire

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    This is very probably Isabella's birth registration on FreeBMD which can be purchased from the GRO and is the most dfinite way of finding out Isabella's father's name. If there isn't one on the certificate then she is probably illegitimate.

    Isabella Batty December 1/4 1853 Askrigg registration district (which includes Hawes) vol 9d page 415.

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    1861 census RG 9 piece 3671 folio 44 page 4
    William Batty cordwainer 50 born dent Yorkshire
    Margaret wife 45 Garsdale
    William Holmes stepson 22 ag lab and grocer garsdale
    Mary batty 13 dau knitter of yarn drawers Hawes
    Ellen dau 11 knitter of yarn drawers Hawes
    John son 9 knitter of yarn drawers Hawes
    Isabella dau 7 Hawes
    Katherine Batty 4 hawes
    1871 RG10 piece 4156 folio 13 page 21
    Queen Street great marsden
    William Batty 60 shoemaker Dent
    Margaret Batty 55 Garsdale
    Agnes Holmes 25 dau cotton weaver garsdale
    Mary Batty 23 worsted weaver Hensleydale Yorkshire
    John Batty 19 cotton weaver Hensleydale
    Isabella Batty 17 employed at home Hensleydale, Yorkshire
    Catherine Batty 14 cotton weaver hensleydale
    William H Holmes 3 grandson Nelson Lancashire
    Margaret J Kendal 2 grandson Lancashire


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    1851 HO107 piece 2380 folio 217 page 5
    Mossdale Moor, Hawes
    William Batty 40 Cordwainer/grocer employing 2 men born Dent
    Margaret Batty 35 Garsdale
    Elizabeth Batty dau 12 Quarry? Yorkshire
    Alice Batty 11 dau Quarry? Yorkshire
    Richard Batty 9 son Quarry? Yorkshire
    Robert Batty 7 son Quarry? Yorkshire
    Mary Batty 3 dau Mossdale Moor
    Elianor Batty 1 dau Mossdale Moor (Ellen in 1861?)
    Agnes Holme 5 ? dau Garsdale
    William Holme 12 stepson Errand boy Garsdale
    Michael Wilkinson 16 apprentice cordwainer Garsdale
    George Allen 22 journeyman cordwainer Dent

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    Marriage
    Dec 1/4 1846 registration district Sedbergh (which includes Garsdale)
    William Batty and Margaret Holmes vol 23 page 599

    So it seems both William and Margaret were married previously or William was and Margaret had two illegitimate children.

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    William's first marriage? On familysearch.org

    William Batty
    spouse Catherine Akrigg
    14 July 1836
    Hawes,York

    1841 HO107 piece 1252 book 9 folio 61 page 3
    Slate Quarry Hawes. Civil Parish Aysgarth
    William Batty 29 shoemaker
    Catherine 26
    Margaret 4
    Elizabeth 3
    Alice 1

    Immediately below
    William Batty 18 shoemaker
    James 40 shoemaker

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    A very good possibility for Margaret Holme with her parents and illegitimate son William in 1841
    HO107 piece 1322 book 5 folio 16 page 3
    Garsdale Civil parish Sedbergh Yorkshire
    John Holme 70
    Agness 65
    Margaret 25
    William 2
    All born in the county.
    The enumerator has done as required in the 1841 census and marked the ages of anyone over 15 years down to the nearest 5

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    Isabella is listed in the 1851 census along with her father Thomas , born Yorkshire Dent approx. 1803. He is a master cordwainer. The old writing looks like Isabella Batter , hence the confusion.

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