I'm usually pretty good at finding addresses in the census, but this time I'm stumped! My elusive ancestors Charles MOLLOY (b. 1848, Rye, Sussex) and Louisa MOLLOY nee SMITH (b. 1851 St. Peters or Upton, Broadstairs) moved from Charlton, Dover between October 1874 and June 1878 to Greenwich, then Gravesend before ending up at 10 Elsted Street, Southwark in April 1889 (from school admission of son and electoral register). The family appear to have remained in the Southwark area of London until at least 1896. (entries in the Electoral registers from 1896 could relate to Charles senior or his son Charles George)
By November 1903 Charles MOLLOY, a master bootmaker (and I assume his wife) had moved to London Road, Dover where he had a shop (from a newspaper report in Dover Express Feb 1904) and in 1904 Charles is listed in his sons army attestation documents as living at 34 London Road, Dover. From Googlemaps, there appears to be 4 adjacent shops nos 31, 32, 33 & 34 at the junction of London Road and Beaconsfield Road.
By 1911 Charles & Louisa were at 17 Kingsman Street, Woolwich, and at 25 Kingsman Street, Woolwich in 1914.
So the only missing piece I have is their location in 1901 census. Incidentally, a search of Kelly's 1903 directory for Dover doesn't list Charles MOLLOY as a resident, or as a business, so it is possible that he hadn't moved back to Dover until after the directory was compiled or just before November 1903.
However, I'd like to be certain that Charles and Louisa are not at 34 London Road, Dover in the 1901 census, so would be grateful for anyone who can attempt an address search for me. I've tried both Ancestry & Findmypast, and not getting anywhere...unfortunately London Road is very long and doesn't appear to have been enumerated in one stretch, which doesn't help.
Thanks,
Michelle
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14-10-2015, 11:56 PM #1Wilkes_mlGuest
34 London Road, Dover in 1901 census?
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15-10-2015, 1:29 AM #2Wilkes_mlGuest
I've gone through the ED descriptions, and found the houses opposite from 299 to 324 London Road (ED 3 St. James' sub-district Folio 59-60 pgs 1-4).
no.s 31-35 should be St. James sub-district ED No. 5 including the North eastern side of London Road which includes Bartholomew Street, Churchill Street and Granville Street, but looks like the short row of shops have been excluded.
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15-10-2015, 1:36 AM #3Wilkes_mlGuest
I finally located the buildings!...No 30 was inhabited by a Clergyman and his family, and 31, 32, 33 were all uninhabited buildings, but listed alongside the clergyman's wife and children. The corner shop at no. 35 was inhabited by a butcher. As the shops all have two floors above the shop, it is unlikely that my ancestors would have been using the shop but not living above it.
So, back to searching for them in Southwark/Newington/Walworth or Woolwich!
edited to add that No 30-35 were in ED5 RG13 Piece 838 Folio 105 Pg 4
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15-10-2015, 1:48 AM #4Wilkes_mlGuest
maybe coincidental, but around the corner at 26 Bartholomew Street are lodgers: G. MOLLY,a journeyman shoemaker aged 50 S. MOLLY aged 49 and George MOLLY aged 13 all said to have been born London. Charles & Louisa's son who went into the army, giving his father's address as 34 London Road in 1904 was George Albert MOLLOY who would have been 15 in 1901...so possibly the head of the household just assumed they were all born London, a C could look like a G, and a L could look like a S, and their ages are only slightly out.
I guess I'll now have to look into this family a bit more!
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15-10-2015, 8:16 AM #5
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In checking out the newspapers did you note the Dover Express, 22 Jan 1904. It mentions "... Charles Molloy (on the register as Charles Lawrence) 34a London Road ..."?
"dyfal donc a dyr y garreg"
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15-10-2015, 10:48 AM #6Wilkes_mlGuest
Thanks!
No, I didn't see that one...that's even better confirmation that he is my ancestor, as his father's name was LAURENCE, but due to his mother being a merry widow, his birth was registered as Molloy. His mother went on to marry his father a year or so after his birth, but he stuck with the surname MOLLOY throughout his adult life.
Now off to dig out that newpaper!
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15-10-2015, 11:16 AM #7Wilkes_mlGuest
strangley, in the Dover Express 5th Feb "Charles Molloy, 36, London Road, Dover". I thought initially that 36 was his wrong age...now I'm wondering if that was supposed to have been his address..but they recorded 36 instead of 34.
the actual saga he was involved in ( voting bribery) is quite long winded. But I do wonder if my great great grandfather actually knew he was being bribed...he took 2/- each from two of the people on trial, and pocketed the money without saying anything! 2/- I assume is 2 shillings, which would be about £63 pounds in todays money, so he took about £126 without questioning why he was being given it lol
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15-10-2015, 11:29 AM #8Wilkes_mlGuest
Quoting myself here, but now I'm pretty certain this is my Charles & Louisa, because as I was virtually "walking" through London Road into Bartholomew Street in 1901 I stumbled upon Charles' brother George LAURENCE and sister-in-law Elizabeth and their 8 children at 31 Bartholomew Street! So final piece of the puzzle solved.
Just goes to show how the census can be so unreliable.
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15-10-2015, 4:20 PM #9
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"........ the census can be so unreliable"
A little bit harsh, methinks??"dyfal donc a dyr y garreg"
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15-10-2015, 6:19 PM #10Wilkes_mlGuest
Myabe it's just my ancestors
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