My Ulrich/Ulrick Grandfathers - Help please!

[matchstix]

I am looking for any help with my Ulrich/Ulrick Grandfathers on my mothers side as I do not have any Christian names for my Grandfather, Gt Grandfather and Gt Gt Grandfather. I know that before the 1914 WW1 war the name was spelt Ulrich (with the h) but from 1914 they spelt it Ulrick (with the k) because of the German name. I believe they used Ulrick to sound more English and used that for any marriages, etc etc. The info that I do have is as follows:-

My Gt Gt Grandfather Ulrich (I think? Gt Gt?) was born in Potsdam, Germany and came to England at the turn of the 1800's and was a watchmaker

My Gt Grandfather Ulrich or Ulrick was born in England and lived all his life in North Hampstead, London

My Grandfather Ulrich or Ulrick was born in London, I think? and was a coachman at some point in London
He married (my Grandmother) and her name was Ada Webber born I think? 1872/3 in London area
Their children which would help trace things maybe? were Alexander Ulrich/Ulrick born 1902?
Albert (Bert) " " born 1906
and my Mother Violet Ada " " born 1909 St Johns Wood
There may have been more children, not sure?

Any info would be great especially for info on Grandfather from Potsdam, Germany then I could find out why he came to England at the turn of 1800. Thank you very much. From Carol Harris in South Africa.

[christanel]

This marriage gives you Ada's husband's name which should make it easier to move back.

Marriage on FreeBMD

Ada Webber and Charles Edward Ulrich
Registered Jun 1/4 1897
Registration District - Hendon
Inferred County - Middlesex
Vol 3a Page 306

[lewisbeels]

Violet Ada's father was Charles Edward Ulrich, coachman. His father was Edwin Alfred, also a coachman. Edwin's father was Gerhard Christopher Ulrich but he was a shoe maker. Gerhard married Kezia Stone and Edwin married Martha Wright.

[christanel]

1901 census where they are living with others also seemingly employed as grooms/coachmen
RG13 Piece 118 Folio 101 Page 21.
4 Langford Place St Marylebone
Henry G W Hankins 31
Alice E Hankins 29
Dorothy A Hankins 5
Henry F Hankins 1
Martha Hankins 53
Maud Hankins 20
Charles E Ulrich 28 coachman groom born St Georges London
Ada Ulrich 29 Kilburn London
Charles E Ulrich 3 Marylebone London
James R Wheeler 31
George Brothers 41
George Cook 21
Charles W Hardman 25
Charles Luxton 38
Albert E Foukes 19

[christanel]

Charles with his parents
1881 RG11 Piece 173 Folio 27 Page 48

Edwin Ulbrich 38 coachman domestic servant born Clapton
Martha Ulbrich 31 Rockford Essex
Charles Ulbrich 7 Mayfair
Alfred Ulbrich 6 Mayfair
George Ulbrich 4 Mayfair
Sarah Ulbrich ?months Towers Gate
Rebecca Jefferies 31 visitor domestic cook Visitor Hertfordshire

[christanel]

1851 HO107 Piece 1503 Folio 165 Page 20
2 Retreat Cottage High Hill Ferry
Gerhard C Ulrich 50 Cordwainer born London Partly blind
Keziah Ulrich 45 Laundress Ockley Surrey
Alfred M Ulrich 22 Servant born Clapton Deaf
Edwin A Urich 8 Clapton

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1841 HO107 Piece 700 Book 10 Folio 13 Page 18 Line 1
High Mill ferry Tower Hamlets Hackney
Gerrard Ulrick 35 shoemaker born in County? Yes
Keziah Ulrick 35 No
Alfred Ulrick 12 calico glazer No
Charles Ulrick 8 Yes

There is a tree on ancestry that has Gerhard Christopher's father as Johann Gottlieb Ulrich born1754 in Hamburg, Germany
Death 1806 in London
Johann married Susannah? 1765 - 1832.

[christanel]

1841 HO107 Piece 1086 Book 6 Folio 22 Page 37 Line 17
Alfred Place Southwark
John Gothel Ulrich 40 Chronometer
Eliz Ulrich 40
Hannah Ulrich 10
Catherine Ulrich 10
Tho Vanderpump 2
American? Vanderpump 3
Beatta Well 50
None of them born in the county.

An Alan Roberts put in a correction for the names on ancestry in Nov 2011

So Edwin's father is not the watchmaker but the shoemaker. John the watchmaker and Gerrard/Gerhard could be brothers?

Marriage
John Gottlieb Ulrich to Elizabeth Margaret Vanderpump 25 March 1819 at St Andrews Holborn. Witnesses John George and Ann Hale.

[geneius]

Hello

Gerhard Christopher ULRICH married Kezia STONE 02/12/1/22
According to the census he was b 1801 buried 23/01/1869 Kezia b 1805 bu 12/01/1877 both buried St John Hackney

Children:
Jno Christopher baptised ( bp )16/03/1823
Gerhard Henry bp 11/09/1825
George Frederick bp 19/04/1829 reported born 14/12/1826
Alfred William bp 1910/4/1829
Charles Augustus bp as an adult 02/06/1850 born circa 1833
Edward Alfred bp 24/10/1843 ( also k/a Edwin)

You can see parish records & census information ( 1851 + 1881 are free on any subscription site) on www.familysearch.org

Birth, Marriage & death are on a free site www.freebmd.org.uk ( not all records have been transcribed)

Certificates can be ordwered for £9.25 sterling from www.gro.gov.uk

Someone was looking for this family in 2004, if you google.co.uk search engine with Gerhard Christopher ULRICH the query should appear!

[geneius]

Reference #8
London, England, Freedom of the City Admission Papers

on 11 October 1827
A John Gottlieb ULRICH ( jnr) who was born circa 1798 (could be Gerhard's brother) applied for the above, in his statement he said he JGU hade been born in England of parents that he is the son of John Gottlieb ULRICH a native of Hambrough in Germany married to an English woman and resided in England until his demise. The petitioner JGU junior was born and has resided since!

Looking at the census this JGL declared he was born Tower Hamlets 1798 whilst GCU 's census details are transcribed as Tarves Hill!!