Only having a 1911 subscription to FMP, I’m not sure how it might have been transcribed elsewhere.
I’m trying to follow a William PROBIN b.1830 Birmingham.
In 1881,
RG11, Piece: 2991, Folio, 101, Page: 7
A Gun Maker of 142 Great Hampton Row, Birmingham.
William Probin 51
Eliza Probin 50
Albert Train 25
Caroline Train 24
Thomas Probin 13
Thomas PROBIN might be the one to follow here as he was born before the 1871 census. Regd Q4 1868 to be more precise. And consider here that TRAIN has been mis-transcribed from TROTH.
In 1861, 20 years earlier, 87 Upper Tower Street, Birmingham,
RG 9, Piece: 2158, Folio: 85, Page: 8
William Robin 31
Sarah Robin 28
William Robin 6
Where William Snr. Is a Gun Maker
The question immediately obvious is the Eliza/Sarah discrepancy, but I’ll come back to that.
Trying to find the family in 1871,
RG10, Piece: 3121, Folio: 24, Page: 8
Is the nearest match that I can find.
William Rabin 41
Sarah Rabin 38
William Rabin 16
Thomas Rabin 2
Thomas’s Birth being Regd Q4 1868, he would have been 2 at the time of the Census.
Living in Tower Street (if I read it correctly), BUT, here William Snr is a Coal Merchant!
I’ve done the usual. Checked for RABIN in other years. Checked newspapers for William advertising as a Coal Merchant – although I don’t have ready access to Business Directories. Gun Making was a well paid profession. Did William take time out to pursue a Business venture?
There is a Death, Regd Q3 1871, Sarah PROBIN, Birmingham, estimated Birth year, 1832.
There is also a Marriage,Q1 1872 Aston 6d, 415. William PROBIN > Eliza TROTH.
Blimey! He didn’t hang about!
Before I start submitting corrections, I’d welcome other opinions.
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16-07-2012, 8:08 PM #1Ken_RGuest
William PROBIN, Birmingham, Warks. Opinions?
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16-07-2012, 10:11 PM #2MutleyGuest
In 1841 Ancestry transcribes them as Paobin
HO107/1143, Book 7, Folio 31, Page 21
In 1851 he is a Gun Barrel Maker as is his father Samuel Probin who was a Gun Barrel Maker in 1841
HO107/Piece 2057 Folio 408 Page 18
The only marriage I can see between 1851 and 1871 for a William Probin is June 1863 with
Elizabeth BUBB or Mary Ann SHIRLEY at Birmingham. I cannot see one with a Sarah.
Other than
Sept 1852 Wolverhampton William Probin and Sarah Plowman on the same page
June 1855 Southampton William Parvin and Sarah Bendall on the same page
I also cannot find a better match for the 1871 than the one you have (Ancestry has Rabin)
I think though, that it is Probin on the original. It does seem strange that father and son are now Coal Merchants but the men in the two houses below are Gun Makers!
I wonder about the son's occupations in later census, Gun Making seems to have been handed down the generations.
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16-07-2012, 10:49 PM #3MutleyGuest
I suppose young William's birth certificate in Sept 1855 at Birmingham would at least, tell you about Sarah.
It would be interesting to see William Snr occupation on Thomas's birth certificate which should also give you Sarah's name.
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17-07-2012, 7:54 PM #4Ken_RGuest
Thanks for the research on the earlier decades but, now that you've taken the trouble.........I've gone back a bit further.
I'm still not happy about the Coal Merchant bit.
As for Certificates, the younger William was the Father-in-Law to a Grand Uncle, so I'll not be shelling out shekels for that.
It was just that a connection popped up and.........thinking that they would be easy to trace through the census records, when it wasn't immediately apparent, it became a Challenge.
One extra bit that did pop up was that Eliza TROTH was a widow, seemingly, maiden name PRATT.
Thanks for your help. It may assist others at a future date.
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17-07-2012, 8:32 PM #5
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A bit more to the jigsaw
By Banns St.Mary
8 Aug 1852
PROBIN William full b Gun barrel maker Falkland Street Samuel Probin Gun barrel maker PLOWMAN Sarah
By Banns St.Mary
27 Dec 1875
PROBIN William 21 b Stamper 2 Ct.Littles Lane William Probin Gun barrel maker CHAMBERS Sarah Ann
source www.wolverhamptonhistory.org.uk
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18-07-2012, 11:08 AM #6Ken_RGuest
Thanks. Some useful info via that link. It has enabled me to confirm what was in a Public tree and provided me with Bap details for one of the Brides.
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