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    Quote Originally Posted by malcolm99 View Post
    The Benlomond appears in Lloyd's Register 1871-1872 >
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    Quote Originally Posted by malcolm99 View Post
    The Benlomond appears in Lloyd's Register 1871-1872 >
    https://archive.org
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    ...although what's odd is that this ship is happily plying between London & Sydney in 1872 & 1873 e.g. see Trove https://trove.nla.gov.au
    /ndp/del/article/13327900?searchTerm=benlomond&searchLimits=sortby= dateAsc

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    I've been thinking about where Charles junior might have grown up and been known: is that his parents at 28 Eastbourne Terrace, Paddington in 1871 (RG10/25 fo36 p23)? If so (and his own 1871 entry says born in London), and given that memorials to the great and the good are often found in cathedrals rather than parish churches, how about St Paul's?

    Alternatively, with a later family connection to Kent, how about Canterbury?

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    Perhaps Alistair will tell us where he's already looked. He lives in London and the Society of Genealogists library has a decent collection of MIs. This includes St Mary Paddington which is my nap selection for today

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    The photographer apparently had a Dover address (post #1).

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    The photographer apparently had a Dover address (post #1).
    This is so and Dover was where the widow lived in later years. She could have commissioned a local photographer to travel to the site of the monument and photograph it because she had now moved away and couldn't visit it in person. Why bother to have it photographed if it was local?

    My view is that the monument was installed in 1891 so the first place to check is where they were living in 1891. Of course it may turn out to be anywhere where they had a connection. Perhaps we'll find out in due course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Goodey View Post
    so the first place to check is where they were living in 1891.

    In 1891 a General Charles Gordon is living at 26 Onslow Gardens, South Kensington (Ancestry Electoral Registers). At the time of the Census there was a Charles Hall, J.P. for Sussex living there with his family & umpteen servants> RG12/30 fol. 171 p. 12

    Later: General Gordon was at the Onslow Gardens address in both 1890 & 1892.
    Last edited by malcolm99; 23-03-2012 at 6:57 PM. Reason: Gave the General his rightful surname!

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    Quote Originally Posted by malcolm99 View Post
    what's odd is that this ship is happily plying between London & Sydney in 1872 & 1873 e.g. see Trove https://trove.nla.gov.au
    /ndp/del/article/13327900?searchTerm=benlomond&searchLimits=sortby= dateAsc
    After perusing the shipping news in the papers, I have come to the conclusion that there must have been at least two different Ben Lomonds (or Benlomonds). One had a master called Moir and another a master called Kidner.

    Moir's ship was the one doing the London/Sydney route. Here are some references to it:

    7 May 1872, the Ben Lomond arrived at London, from Sydney (Dundee Courier & Argus, 9 May 1872)
    29 June 1872, the Ben Lomond passed Deal, on its way from from London to Sydney (Glasgow Herald, 1 July 1872)
    1 August 1872, the Ben Lomond, on its voyage from London to Sydney, was spoken with at lat. 10 N, long. 25 W [sorry, I forgot to copy down which paper this was from]
    23 October 1872, the Ben Lomond (Moir) arrived in Sydney from London, 109 days from the Lizard (Aberdeen Journal, 25 Dec 1872).

    There's a crew list for this voyage, at

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    mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/1872/10/061ben.htm

    which says this ship was of Aberdeen, the master was David Moir and the burthen was 986 tons.

    The one with the master Kidner was a North Shields vessel. An 1863 crew list for the Benlomond (no. 29716) can be found in the Tyne & Wear Archives catalogue, ref. G.CRW/1/1863/29716. The master was John R. Kidner. The ship was 'Registered at [North] Shields and owned by John Morrison of Lovaine Place, North Shields'.

    The Glasgow Herald of 15 Feb 1865 says that the 'Benlomond, Kidner, from Antwerp' was at Callao on 29th Dec.

    The Dundee Courier & Argus of 20 Sept. 1872 has the note 'SHIELDS, Sept. 17. - The Ben Lomond cleared here to-day for Callao with 2400 tons of coals.' There's another reference to the beginning of this voyage in the Standard of 19 Sept. 1872:
    'SHIELDS, Sept. 18 - Sailed, the Ben Lomond, for Callao.' (and a similar notice in the Glasgow Herald, but calling the vessel the Benlomond)

    This fits with the details of the date and destination of the ship on which Charles Alexander Hamilton is thought to have perished. Unfortunately the paper omits to say the master's name but from the route it would seem likely this was Kidner's ship.

    HOWEVER, this ship still seems to have been around after the supposed loss: the Bristol Mercury of 16 Nov 1872 reports that the Ben Lomond (Kidner) had arrived in Odessa, and 'the screw steamer Ben Lomond, Kidner, of North Shields' is mentioned in the Western Mail of 22 May 1874.

    So was there a third Benlomond/Ben Lomond operating at the same time? Or did whatever happened to Charles not result in the loss of the vessel?

    Just to confuse matters The Standard of 18 October 1873 announces the death of 'Charles Alexander Gordon, aged 18, second son of Deputy Surgeon General C.A. Gordon, M.D., C.B.' No date or place is given. This would be a year after he was last heard of, if the date on the memorial is correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Goodey View Post
    This includes St Mary Paddington which is my nap selection for today
    I'll go each-way on St. Paul's, Onslow Square

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    Sorry about the typo, you are right, it should have been 8N Lon, 35W etc

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    Thank you so much for taking time out to do so much research to help demolish this brick wall, it really is most appreciated!! I have scoured newspapers and have searched shipping registers to no avail. I also came to the conclusion that there must have been more than one Ben Lomond/Benlomond.

    If you would like to see the original photo of the MI it is here: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/phot...eat=directlink

    As for Charles Alexander Gordon, the son, he was born in 1854 in Lahore, India. In the 1861 census the family is in Devonport, Devon, where CAG snr had been posted previously though at the time of the census CAG snr was in Tientsin, China. Very soon after he returned to England he was posted, for the sixth time, to India departing in 1862 and his wife and family, including CAG jnr, followed a few months later. CAG jnr joined the mercantile marine in 1872.

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