Place name confusion

[Gwyneth A W]

Sorry, I don't have that information. I searched a banns for Daniel Sullivan and Mary Ann Drummond but concluded that this record didn't match the details I have. Census shows his wife to be Irish and this person was not.

[christanel]

Hi
I tried searching for a possible maiden name by using the GRO birth index for the births of teir children but in each case there were choices! Except for Mathias where there was no choice at all! Using Math* *sullivan on FreeBMD no results.

Then I found a marriage for a Daniel Sullivan to a Mary Sullivan

Daniel Sullivan, full age bachelor, skin dresser, father John Sullivan a gardener
Marriage - 7 Jan 1850
at St John, Clerkenwell, Islington, England
Father - John Sullivan
Spouse - Mary Sullivan, full age, spinster, father John Sullivan a labourer.
Both living at New Court.
Parish Register


so looked for births with mmn Sullivan and there is this one

SULLIVAN, TIMOTHY mother's maiden name (mmn) Sullivan Sept 1/4 1857 St Giles and St George vol 1b page 363

Then this one
Ellen Sullivan Sept 1/4 1853 reg dist St George (in the East) vol 1c page 384 mmn Sullivan
and this
William Sullivan Sept 1/4 St George in the east vol 2 page 112 mmn Sullivan a couple of years younger than in the 1861 census though.

I still can't find a birth reg for Matthius but this could be his death reg as I can't find him on any census other than 1861
Matthias Sullivan age 5
Registration Quarter 1/4 Dec 1862
Registration district: Holborn London
Vol 1b Page 367

Gwyneth I see your tree on ancestry with Daniel Sullivan birth reg St James 1864 but the mmn is Murphy. If this is correct then my admittedly out in left field supposition of Mary (mother) being a Sullivan is shot down in flames. Also I can't find a birth reg for Daniel with mmn Sullivan but there is one in Sept 1/4 1863 Westminster and another June 1/4 1865 Poplar Union.

[Jomot1]

There is a RC Baptism at St Anne, Tower Hamlets for Timothey Patrick O’Sullivan born 16 May 1856, baptised 18 Mar 1856, parents Daniel O’Sullivan & Mary Ann Murphey

Also a baptism at Virginia Street Chapel, Wapping for Ellen Sullivan born 27 Aug 1853 baptised 11 Sep 1853, parents Daniel Sullivan & Mary Murphy

St Patrick, Soho Square, Westminster 25 Dec 1857 (born 18 Nov 1857) Matthias, parents Daniel Sullivan & Marie Murphy

[Jomot1]

And to complete the 1861 census:
Our Lady of the Assumption & St Gregory, Warwick Street, Soho (Bavarian Chapel), 14 Oct 1860 (born 7 Mar 1860) Maria Sullivan, parents Danielis Sullivan & Maria Murphy

[Jomot1]

Daniel Jr was also mentioned

Our Lady of the Assumption & St Gregory, Warwick Street, Soho (Bavarian Chapel), 4 Sep 1864 (born 19 Jun 1864) Daniel Mathias Sullivan, parents Danielis Sullivan & Maria Murphy

[Jomot1]

I had to go out earlier, so just to complete things - although I'm sure you have this by now:

Parish of Christ Church, Middlesex (on Anc as Tower Hamlets Christ Church with St Mary and St Stephen, Spitalfields)
6 Dec 1852
Daniel Sullivan 23 Bachelor Tailor 50 Gun Street. Father: Timothy Sullivan, Tailor
Mary Murphy 21 Spinster same address. Father: Matthias Murphy, Shoemaker
Daniel made his mark, Mary signed

[Gwyneth A W]

Info on my *A family tree is sometimes speculative, based on filtering lots of possibles and choosing the most likely! For example, if the namesake was a labourer, it seems unlikely (though not impossible) he would suddenly become a tailor. Looking at census records I imagine the family would not have moved very far in London, to where Ellen eventually met and married Otto.

Hi
I tried searching for a possible maiden name by using the GRO birth index for the births of teir children but in each case there were choices! Except for Mathias where there was no choice at all! Using Math* *sullivan on FreeBMD no results.

Then I found a marriage for a Daniel Sullivan to a Mary Sullivan

Daniel Sullivan, full age bachelor, skin dresser, father John Sullivan a gardener
Marriage - 7 Jan 1850
at St John, Clerkenwell, Islington, England
Father - John Sullivan
Spouse - Mary Sullivan, full age, spinster, father John Sullivan a labourer.
Both living at New Court.
Parish Register


so looked for births with mmn Sullivan and there is this one

SULLIVAN, TIMOTHY mother's maiden name (mmn) Sullivan Sept 1/4 1857 St Giles and St George vol 1b page 363

Then this one
Ellen Sullivan Sept 1/4 1853 reg dist St George (in the East) vol 1c page 384 mmn Sullivan
and this
William Sullivan Sept 1/4 St George in the east vol 2 page 112 mmn Sullivan a couple of years younger than in the 1861 census though.

I still can't find a birth reg for Matthius but this could be his death reg as I can't find him on any census other than 1861
Matthias Sullivan age 5
Registration Quarter 1/4 Dec 1862
Registration district: Holborn London
Vol 1b Page 367

Gwyneth I see your tree on ancestry with Daniel Sullivan birth reg St James 1864 but the mmn is Murphy. If this is correct then my admittedly out in left field supposition of Mary (mother) being a Sullivan is shot down in flames. Also I can't find a birth reg for Daniel with mmn Sullivan but there is one in Sept 1/4 1863 Westminster and another June 1/4 1865 Poplar Union.