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    Geoffers - how on earth can you read it all so fast. Thanks so much for filling in the blanks and for the rest of page 3. Also thanks Kerrywood.

    I've spent some time now (seems like days) on page 4. Best I can get so far is this...

    Thatcham in the said county of Berks whose Receipts or the Receipt
    of the major part of them or of any person authorised by them such
    writing or writings under their hands from time to time be good and
    sufficient discharges to my said trustees for the same And it is my will
    that the said trustees or other persons having the direction or management
    of the said Almhouse for the time being shall annually for ever distribute
    and divide the said ever yearly dividend equally between the poor persons
    of the said Almhouse and enter in some book to be kept for that purpose
    the names of the poor persons receiving the same and produce such
    Book where required for the inspection of the said Trustees of the said
    Stock or any of them I also give unto the said John Withers John Tutty
    Richard Tutty and Henry Smith their Executors and Administrators
    One hundred pounds stock further part of my stock in the said five per Cent
    Navy Bank Annuities to be transferred unto them as soon as may be after
    my decease But nevertheless upon the trusts and for the intention and
    purpose hereinafter expressed and declared concerning the same (that is
    to say) upon trust that they my said Trustees or the survivors or
    survivor of them or their Executors or Administrators of such survivor do
    and shall yearly for ever pay lay out or expend the dividends of the
    said stock so ? ? as they shall think necessary (after deducting
    all incidental charges and expenses) in maintaining and keeping in ?
    the Mounds? and F? around the Burial Ground belonging to the
    Society of Friends at or near Wantage in the county of Berks and pay
    and divide the residue or surplus if any annually unto and amongst
    such poor persons belonging to the Society of Friends Minutes of the
    Monthly Meetings at Reading aforesaid and Warborough in the county
    of Oxford as they shall think proper provided always And it is my will
    that ? and ? as my said four trustees above mentioned shall
    by death or resignation be reduced to the number of two then and in
    such case and as often as it shall so happen it shall be lawful for
    the two remaining Trustees or the survivors of them his Executors
    or Administrators to nominate? and appoint as many other fit and proper
    persons to be Trustees * or Trustee as shall make up the number of four
    and so from time to time as often as occasion shall require and
    ? such ? shall be made as necessary for vesting?
    the said trust stock as well in the surviving or continuing Trustees or
    Trustee as in the new? Trustees so to be appointed as aforesaid their
    Executors and Administrators upon trusts and for the intents and purposes
    aforesaid I direct my executors to pay and apply the sum fifty
    pounds of lawful money ? in Great Britain for the benefit of
    the school in Islingdon? Road in the county of Middlesex for
    ?tion the children of poor persons belonging to the Society of Friends
    in ? manner as to my said Executors shall seem ? And I give
    unto each of my said Trustees John Withers John Tutty Richard
    Tutty and Henry Smith the legacy or sum of ten pounds for his
    care and trouble in the Execution and Performance of the trusts of this my
    will And as to all my W?dy Money Household Goods and Furniture
    personal Estate and Effects whatsoever and wheresoever and of what
    ? or ? ? not ? disposed of after payment of all
    my just debts the legacies aforesaid and my Funeral and ? Expenses
    I give and bequeath the ? and every part thereof unto my said
    cousin Thomas Sargood absolutely for his own use and benefit And
    I do humbly ?itute and appoint the said Thomas Sargood and
    the said Robert Allen and Jeremiah Wallace Executors of this
    my will in trust for the purpose aforesaid and I do humbly? declare that
    my said trustees herein before named any or either of them shall not be
    answerable for the Acts Receipts? ? or Defaults of the others or

    I've never tried interpreting an old will before. Gosh they ramble on. Anyway! Now my head hurts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by olliecat
    Geoffers - how on earth can you read it all so fast
    36 years practice, so by 2046 you should be.............

    I am jealous, it took me ages to get to the standard you hav reached in a few hours

    said stock so ? ? as they shall think necessary (after deducting
    same stock or so much thereof as they.........


    all incidental charges and expenses) in maintaining and keeping in ?
    repair

    the Mounds? and F?
    mounds and fences

    that ? and ? as my said four trustees
    that when and so soon as my said four trustees

    or Administrators to nominate?
    yes, I read nominate

    and appoint as many other fit and proper
    persons to be Trustees *
    I would here add

    [Insterted note in margin] *jointly with such surviving or continuing trustees

    or Trustee as shall make up the number of four
    and so from time to time as often as occasion shall require and
    Note at the end of the line the additional symbols I previously mentioned that look like: a a - added to fill in the space at the end of the line


    ? such ? shall be made as necessary for vesting?
    thereupon such transfers shall be made as necessary for vesting

    Trustee as in the new?
    Yes, read 'new' as well

    the school in Islingdon?
    Islington


    Road in the county of Middlesex for
    ?tion the children
    road in the conty of Middlesex for
    educating the children

    in ? manner as to my said Executors shall seem ? And I give
    in such manner as to my said Executors shall seem meet And I give

    NB 'meet' - an old use of the word which here means 'suitable or proper'

    ? or ? ? not ? disposed of after payment of all
    nature or kind soever not hereinbefore disposed

    my just debts the legacies aforesaid and my Funeral and ? Expenses
    testamentary expenses

    I give and bequeath the ?
    I give and bequeath the same

    I do humbly ?itute
    I do hereby constitute and appoint

    my will in trust for the purpose aforesaid and I do humbly? declare that
    I do hereby declare

    I've never tried interpreting an old will before. Gosh they ramble on. Anyway! Now my head hurts.
    The ifs, buts, maybes, whenever, in such case, hereinbefores, etc, etc make politicians seem positively direct and brief in their answers! But at least wills such as this have some use and the benefit of providing lots of names and bequests of interest to famly and local historians.

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    Thanks once again Geoffers. I never would have got testamentary or hereinbefore.

    Last lap - page 5

    either of them their joining in Receipts for Conformity? only notwithstanding
    nor for any loss or damages whatsoever which may happen in the execution
    of the said trusts or in relation thereto unless the same shall happen
    their own ?portion wilful defaults or ? and that
    they may direct and retain to themselves respectively out of the
    trust Monies which shall ? to their respective hands all
    Expenses attending the execution of the said trust and lastly I do
    hereby work and make void all former and other wills by me
    want? and do declare this to be my only last will and testament
    the writings? whereof I have to this my last will and testament
    contained in five sheets of paper set my hand to ? thereof
    and to the last of ? my seal may also this fourth day of the twelfth
    month in the year of our lord one thousand eight hundred and
    twenty one ~ Jno Sargood ? signed sealed published and ?
    by the above named John Sargood the testator as and for his last
    will and testament in the presence of us who at his request in his
    presence and in the presence of each other have substituted our
    own names as witnesses thereto[herto?] the ? “members of” in his fourth?
    sh?p having been first written on our ? John A. Hedges ~
    ? Wallingford ~ Jos. Sandfords ~ Hollands Thos Birketts ??

    PROVED at London 26th August 1826 before the judge by Thomas
    Sargood Robert Sargood [< name crossed out] Robert Allen and Jeremiah Wallis the Executors
    to whom Admon was granted ^ the said? Thomas Sargood having been first sworn and the said
    Robert Allen and Jeremiah Wallis having first made a solemn and sincere?
    declaration and affirmation according to Act of parliament (by canon?
    Duty to Administer)

    I was determined to get every word this time - but alas...

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    Subject to Geoffers' approval in the morning ...

    either of them their joining in Receipts for Conformity? only notwithstanding
    Conformity

    their own ?portion wilful defaults or ? and that
    their own respective wilful defaults or Neglects and that

    they may direct and retain to themselves respectively out of the
    they may deduct and retain ...

    trust Monies which shall ? to their respective hands all
    come

    hereby work and make void all former and other wills by me
    hereby revoke ...

    want? and do declare this to be my only last will and testament
    made

    the writings? whereof I have to this my last will and testament
    In Witness whereof ...

    contained in five sheets of paper set my hand to ? Thereof
    ... to each Sheet thereof

    and to the last of ? my seal may also this fourth day of the twelfth
    them

    twenty one ~ Jno Sargood ? signed sealed published and ?
    LS [encircled]* - Jno Sargood Signed sealed published and declared

    *locus sigilli - 'the place of the seal' (shows where the seal was placed in the original document)

    presence and in the presence of each other have substituted our
    ... have subscribed our

    own names as witnesses thereto[herto?] the ? “members of” in his fourth?
    sh?p having been first written on our ? John A. Hedges ~
    our Names as Witnesses thereto the Words "Members of" in the fourth
    Sheet having been first written on an Erasure ... John A. Hedges Att[orne]y

    ? Wallingford ~ Jos. Sandfords ~ Hollands Thos Birketts ??
    at Law Wallingford -- Jos. Sandford? HOLLAND -- Thos. BIRKETT his Clerk(s?)

    to whom Admon was granted ^ the said? Thomas Sargood having been first sworn and the said Robert
    to whom Adm[inistrati]on was granted [inserted above: the said Thomas Sargood] having been ...

    Allen and Jeremiah Wallis having first made a solemn and sincere?[
    sincere

    declaration and affirmation according to Act of parliament (by canon?
    Duty to Administer)
    Declaration or Affirmation according to Act of parliament (by Commission)
    duly to adminster

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    It makes better sense now with your additions/corrections Kerrywood. I don't think I would have got that scrawly 'neglects' on line 4. Also I had no idea what that LS (locus sigilli) was. Thanks very much.

    Good thing there isn't a page 6; I've had enough practice for the moment. Sigh of relief.

    Now to figure out who all those people he named are.

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    I see that the wonderful Kerrywood has cleared up the queries on the last page for you. But none-the-less a fantastic effort by you which I hope gives you confidence to try other documents too.

    The National Archives has some very helpful guidance in reading some older styles of script and also interpreting Latin - click here - so if you get stuck you've got ready help in a couple of places.

    Now to figure out who all those people he named are.
    Ah, now for the fun bit..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoffers View Post
    The National Archives has some very helpful guidance in reading some older styles of script and also interpreting Latin - click here - so if you get stuck you've got ready help in a couple of places.
    Cheer for the link Geoffers. I had a go at some of the exercises for practice since I have a number of wills to figure out. A very good resource. Then I had a go at another Sargood will. Not convinced I've improved since I think the handwriting is easier on this one - there are fewer words that stump me.

    I'm probably being cheeky now but can anyone fill in the mystery words for me? It's much shorter really !!!


    Incomplete transcription of the will of Michael Sargood ...

    This is the last will and testament
    of me Michael Sargood of Reading in the county of Berks
    Mealman. I give and devise unto my kinsman Michael Minns
    now apprenticed to Thomas Andra aforesaid Baker
    and who is son of Richard Minns late of Reading aforsead
    Mealman deceased all and every? my freehold Messuages
    Tenements Granarys and Buildings with their respective
    appurtenances situated in the parish of St Giles in Reading
    aforesaid to hold the same unto and to the use of the said
    Michael Minns his heirs and assigns forever Also I give and
    bequeath unto my wife Sarah all the household goods which
    she brought to me from Theale to and for her own use Also
    I give and bequeath unto the said Michael Minns all my
    ready money securitys for money and all the rest and residue
    of my personal estate and effects whatsoever in trust to pay
    thereout unto my said wife the sum of three hundred
    pounds of lawful money of Great Britain within three months
    next after my decease And upon this further trust to pay
    therout unto Richard Minns brother of the said Michael
    Minns the sum of one hundred and fifty pounds of like
    money to Sarah Minns sister of the said Michael Minns
    twenty pounds of like money To Samuel Minns brother of
    the said Michael Minns forty pounds of like money To Sophia
    Minns sister of the said Michael Minns one hundred and fifty
    pounds of like money To Mary whose maiden name was
    Marrinor? and who is niece? of the said Richard Minns deceased
    twenty pounds of like money and to Eleanor wife of Edward Bustire [Iustire?]
    of Sutton in the said county of Berks Gentleman twenty pounds
    of like money to be paid unto them respectively within twelve
    months after my decease to whom I give and bequeath
    the same according And upon this ? trust to pay out of
    my said personal estate unto my nephew William Sargood son
    of my brother Thomas Sargood deceased an annuity or ?
    yearly payment of three pound of like lawful money free from
    all taxes deductions and outgoings whatsoever to be paid unto
    him by two equal half yearly payments the first payment thereof
    to begin and be made at the expiration of six calendar months
    next after my decease And all the residue and surplus [ov?erplus]
    of my said personal estate and effects I give unto the said Michael
    Minns to and for his own proper use and I do hereby nominate
    and appoint the said Michael Minns Executor of this my will
    hereby revoking all former wills and testaments by me made
    and to publish and declare this to be my last will and testament
    in witness whatsoever I the said Michael Sargood the testator
    have hereunto sett my hand and seal the seventeenth day of
    April in the year of our lord one thousand seven hundred and
    sixty two Michael Sargood signed sealed published and declared
    by the above name Michael Sargood the testator as and for
    his last will and testament in the presence of us who have
    subscribed our names as witnesses hereto at the request and
    in the presence of the said testator and in the presence of each
    other Richd Simeon [Simson?] William Smith Rich. Sutton

    This will was proved at London the second day of
    May in the year of our lord one thousand seven hundred and
    sixty three before the worshipful Andre Coltee Duracel Doctor
    of Laws and surrogate of the right worshipful Sir Edward
    Simpson Knight Doctor of Laws Master Keeper or Commissary
    of the Prerogative Court of Canterbury lawfully roustituted? by
    the solemn and sincere declaration or affirmation of Michael
    Minns the sole executor named in the said will to whom
    administration of all and singular the goods chattels and credits
    of the said deceased was granted he having already made the
    declaration or affirmation aforesaid according to the act of parliament
    duly to administer

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    Can I suggest 'Eleanor wife of Edward Justice'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomasin View Post
    Can I suggest 'Eleanor wife of Edward Justice'?
    Good thinking. I was reading it as an I but a J makes much more sense. Also, on family search pilot - an Edward Justice married an Eleanor Pocock in 1741 in Wantage. This will was written in 1762. Hmm!

    The next part has me confused - 'of Sutton in the said county of Berks'. Is there a Sutton in Berks? Perhaps Sutton Courtenay (now in Oxfordshire).

    Ah!! Just found a marriage licence record for Edward's marriage to Eleanor. Both were from Sutton in Berks. So looks like a good call Thomasin.
    Last edited by olliecat; 17-11-2010 at 8:21 PM. Reason: Added last line

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    Quote Originally Posted by olliecat View Post
    Is there a Sutton in Berks? Perhaps Sutton Courtenay (now in Oxfordshire).
    Quite probably. See this entry in GENUKI.

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