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  1. #1
    PaynoNZ
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    Default PAYNE fam from Weeton with Preese - pre1851

    I've found Joseph & Ann Payne, my GGG grandparents, and their children living in Weeton with Preese from the 1851 census but I'd like to find solid evidence of their birthdates and parents before 1851.
    Ann's maiden name was Billington and she moved to Barrow sometime after Joseph died (1880), where most of her family now lived. I've got census results of their kids, Richard, Thomas, & John, who moved there
    Their son William Henry Payne b1854 (my GGgrandfather) moved to New Zealand sometime before October 1881 when his marriage was recorded in Wellington.

    Any help or direction on where to go next to find out more about Joseph and Ann and the families from whence they came would be greatly appreciated.

    Cheers,

    adrian

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    birdlip
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    Hi Adrian,

    so this is the marriage?

    Sep 1844 PAYNE Joeseph Fylde 21 311
    ( and on the same page, Ann BILLINGTON)

    I presume you have this certificate? What are the names and occupations of the fathers of the bride and groom?

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    birdlip
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    Hi Adrian,

    so this is the marriage?

    Sep 1844 PAYNE Joeseph Fylde 21 311
    ( and on the same page, Ann BILLINGTON)

    I presume you have this certificate? What are the names and occupations of the fathers of the bride and groom?

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    birdlip
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    Oooh...what happened there? Didn't mean to post twice...sorry!

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    birdlip
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    Have I found the right Ann in 1881? She's a widow, 56, Ag Lab General, [B]b Woodplumpton, Lancs[/B,]with an unmarried daughter Alice, 24, Gen Serv, and an 11 yr old son Thomas [RG11/4250/64/P9]

    On IGI, there is a baptism;

    Ann BILLINGTON 10 Dec 1826 Woodplumpton, Lancs, parents Thomas BILLINGTON and Mary

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    PaynoNZ
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    Hi birdlip,

    Cheers for the quick response.
    You've got the correct people above except the baptism doesn't quite fit in. And in my ageing decline (mid-30s!) I forgot that I had ordered the birth cert and hadn't entered it into my computer!
    So here's what info it gave:

    Joseph PAYNE marr. Ann BILLINGTON
    22 Aug 1844
    both occupations listed as Servants at Preese Hall in Weeton
    Joseph's father is John PAYNE
    Ann's father is William BILLINGTON
    Marr. at ??? Chapel, Kirkham by ?? Walmsley
    Religion: RCatholic
    Witnesses: Richard Gillet & Ann Fairclough

    How would I access parish records to find more about John and William?

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    birdlip
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    Ah...

    OK, if they were Catholic, that's a whole different ball game. I personally know very little about Rc records, though there are some real experts here.

    Having said that though, there is this possibility on IGI:

    Anna BILLINGTON b 18 Oct 1824, christened 19 Oct 1824 Salwick by Lea -Rc, Lea by Kirkham. Parents Gulielmi BILLINGTON and Margaritae.

    Latin names= Ann, William and Margaret.

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    birdlip
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    ...and a possibility for Joseph:

    Josephus PAIN or COOKSON b 10 Sep 1822 ch 11 Sep 1822, Mowbreck Or The Willows - Rc, Wesham, Lancs. Parents Joanne PAIN and Anna COOKSON. [Batch No P011491]

    Latin names = Joseph, John and Ann.
    Wisham is next to Kirkham.

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    Keyboard86
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    Hi to back up the findings of Birdlip, these are the 1841 Census returns:-

    1841 Census

    Joseph PAIN is still at the same address as the 1851 aged 15, he is with his sister Alice also aged 15

    Census ref HO107/496/ 16/17/ 19

    John PAIN 35
    Ann 40
    Alice 15 (So it looks like she appears on 2 returns )!
    John R 12
    Richard 6
    Ann 2
    Betty Cookson 65
    William Cookson 20
    Richard Cookson 15

    Residing at Weeton, Kirkham weeton With Preese

    Census Ref HO107/496/ 16/9 /13

    William Billington 50
    Margaret 50
    William 25
    Alice 20
    Richard 20
    Ann 15
    Thomas 13
    Mary 11
    Elizabeth 31
    Henry 45

    Residing at Poulton Street Kirkham Lancs

    Census Ref HO107/496/ 9/14/ 21

    Census refs courtesy of and copyright TNA

    Keyboard86

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    birdlip
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    Thanks so much Keyboard!...we even have the COOKSONS, so Joseph's christening deinitely looks like the right one....except he's not there?

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