I ordered the birth certificate of Catherine Marie and she is indeed the daughter of Lily and Franciscus Aartsen and as with Leonardus she was born in the maternity hospital, so no home address.
I have now sent for the birth cetificates of Dorothy and Margaret.
If they are indeed all sisters it would be strange that all four would all be born in Scotland while having a domocile in London.
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24-11-2010, 10:50 PM #11
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The 3 women are indeed all sisters. They all kept the name Aartsen . Only the son seems to have been adopted or changed his name. Only the last born (Margaret) birth certificate was signed by the father and gave an address of 215 Abercrombie Glasgow. The rest were all Maternity hospitals.
The search for answers continues.
A merry Christmas and a happy new year to all.
gscott1
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25-12-2010, 7:47 PM #13maartsenGuest
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02-01-2011, 10:02 PM #14
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I have searched every Dutch site I can find. The problem is that I do not speak Dutch so most of them are double dutch to me.
As an aside the marriage date is 4/12/1913 not 11/12/1918. As I have said before these two people were never born, never married and never died.
Thanks
George.
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Undoubling the Dutch
If you find a "possibility" on a foreign language site, copy the URL, go to Google and under "more" at the top of the screen you'll find a dropdown menu. Pick Translate, paste the URL in and the site will appear in (sort of) English.
Hope this helps
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02-01-2011, 11:47 PM #16GeoffersGuest
Also, there are some Dutch speakers on these forums who may be able to assist.
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Thanks guy's.
I have not found anything that presents even a possibility.
I have found many Aartsens but none in the same era as Franciscus and Lily.
I have looked in Scotlands people and U.K. bmd sites for Lily's birth or death without success, likewise with Franciscus.
If there are any Dutch speakers on this forum your help in even finding their marriage in Rotterdam 4/12/1918 would be appreciated
Thanks for your efforts,
agaeorge.
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03-01-2011, 11:02 AM #18
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Once again I have got dates mixed up. The marriage date is 4/12/1913.
And I don't know who agaeorge is.
Sorry for the error
Thanks
George
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We have a little progress to report. I got in touch with a person called Kirsten at - info(at)dutchancestrycoach.com - by chance and while she could find no marriage of the mysterious pair, she found the likely birth of Franciscus in 1/2/1888 in Rotterdam and info on his parents so we have found 1 birth but the rest is still a work in progress.
Thanks to all
George
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25-09-2012, 4:59 AM #20
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A long awaited update.
At long last I have had a little win in tracing Franciscus. I have found that he died in 1967 in Rotterdam. His parents were Leonardus Aartsen and Catherine Maria Brinkman.
It would appear that the act of giving away children continued with at least one more of the sisters.
There is more info being sent to from the Netherlands, hopefully it will fill in a few more holes in the puzzle. No news yet of Lily yet.
Will let you know what happens.
Thanks again for all previous help.
George
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