Richard Herbert 1839 s/o Richard & Ann

[AdeleE]

It is a difficult conundrum. Was he trying to be younger on his marriage certificate and for some decades after, or was he trying to be the "grand old man" later in life by increasing his age?

As the first time we "see" him is on his marriage certificate, it is certainly helpful to extract all the information we can from that document. I see from the Ancestry indexing that the LDS Family History library has the film of the marriage register, which could be ordered in to your local Family History Centre. The indexing doesn't make clear which exact register the entry is from. If you need the film #, please let me know.

[wbaynton]

FYI, I've found his gravestone - says he was in his 87th yr:
https://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb....ew/chv0189.htm

I've had a look since your last post at how to ID the film, but it isn't all that clear to me and would be helpful if you could ID the film # pls and thks, Adele.

I'm not sure what "see" means, but he's in the Woodstock 1871 (I haven't seen the doc, only the summary) as 1839:
1871
HERBERT, RICHARD
Age: 32
Birthplace: ENGLAND
Religion: PM
Ethnic Origin: ENGLISH
Occupation: SERVANT
District: 13
Sub District: D
Division Page: 1
Page: 38
County: OXF
Description: Oxford East Twp.

Bill

[wbaynton]

I see the link I provided to 1901 & 1911 automatically truncates to:
https://automatedgenealogy.com/uidlin...?uid=150131632
The missing part, instead of the 3 dots, is:
ks/Links.jsp

Ah, I see it did the same with the gravestone link:
https://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb....ew/chv0189.htm

Replace the 4 dots with (yes, it starts with a period):
.ancestry.com/~dcoop/hillvi

[AdeleE]

Hello Bill,

The Family History Library Film # quoted on the Ancestry transcription is 1030062. If you are going to order in this film, please check that it does contain the 1868 marriages for Oxford County.

What I meant by "see him", in my own confusing slang (sorry!), is that the 1868 marriage certificate is the first document on which we can positively identify him as being your ancestor. So your first "sighting" of your ancestor is on this document. The 1869 birth of his son George would be the second "sighting" and the 1871 census would be the third.

[AdeleE]

I see the link I provided to 1901 & 1911 automatically truncates to:
https://automatedgenealogy.com/uidlin...?uid=150131632
The missing part, instead of the 3 dots, is:
ks/Links.jsp

Ah, I see it did the same with the gravestone link:
https://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb....ew/chv0189.htm

Replace the 4 dots with (yes, it starts with a period):
.ancestry.com/~dcoop/hillvi

Your links are fine. The forum abbreviates the appearance of the links, but they do work.

[wbaynton]

Fuzzy thinking on my part. I knew he married before 1871, but was thinking the reverse. No context - they're all dead guys, even before my mother's birth! Thank you for the film ID and related advice.

Now, can any pls assist in tracking through UK census the family of Richard HERBERT 1829 per JanBooth above:

The only other marriage on the Marriage Index of a Richard to an Anne is on 6 September 1820 at Wigginton of a Richard HERBERT, widower to Anne HARTLEY of Milcombe. Unfortunately, I do not have the PR transcripts of either Wigginton or Milcombe so I cannot check any baptisms to this couple for you. However, they are on the 1841 census of Wigginton and they do have a son Richard but he was born c1829 not 1839. These are the only 2 Richard HERBERTs with father Richard mother Ann that I can find on the 1841 census in Oxfordshire.

Thks. Bill

[AdeleE]

Here's the 1841 census to get us started:

Richard Herbert 55, Ag. Lab, not born in county
Ann Herbert 40, born in county
Elizabeth Herbert 25, born in county
Sarah Herbert 19, born in county
Richard Herbert 12, born in county
James Herbert 6, born in county
William Herbert 6 months, born in county

Civil parish: Wigginton
Hundred: Bloxham
Registration district: Banbury
County: Oxfordshire

HO107 / Piece 875 / Book 19 / Folio 9 / Page 9

[AdeleE]

1851 census:

Richard Herbert, head, married, 68, ag lab, b. Warwicks, Lighthorn
Ann Herbert, wife, married, 54, b. Oxfords, Milcomb
William Herbert, grandson, 10, b. ditto, Wigginton

(no street address)
Civil parish: Wigginton
Reg district: Banbury
County: Oxfordshire

HO107 / Piece 1733 / Folio 60 / Page: 2

Will have a look for the rest of the family.

[AdeleE]

I cannot as yet find Richard & James on the 1851 census.

On the 1861 census, I have definitely found James & William lodging with families, James in Warwickshire and William in Oxfordshire.

I'm going to do more digging, but at this point, I don't have a definite census entry for Richard after 1841.

[wbaynton]

You know how exciting this is, don't you? Courtesy of a match to a common link, my Dad's side goes back to the mid-1600s, with all sorts of detail on connections and their ancestors and descendants, but nothing has been known about this fellow beyond what I provided, and each of these, my mother's grandparents were dead before she was born, so nada.

It's quite interesting to me that this chap is from/near Banbury, just like the others - must be a nest of them and possibly related. In 1841, the parents are old enough that prior children may already be elsewhere. Maybe I'll get lucky and tap into a tree from any of those that are revealed from the censes.

FYI:
Bef Dec 1840
Herbert William James Banbury 16 14

I wonder if the infant in 1841 is the grandson in 1851 and whether the parent was Eliz age 25 in 1841 (or Sarah age 18) and whether a dtr or DIL.

According to Ontario 1911, Richard had emigrated 1858.

Great stuff.

Bill