Trying to find Marriage

[dietabix]

HI All

I am looking for the marriage of

Margaret Bradbury Harrison ... Born .. Hanley ... abt 1882

Edwin/Edward Griffiths ... Born .. Kidsgrove .. abt 1879

I can find them on the 1911 Census as married 9 years, with a daughter Margaret Millicent Griffiths.

Also Margaret was named in a will on the 27 May 1902, as
Margaret Bradbury Griffiths, so I guess she was married then.

I would be grateful of any help

Sue

[sue2white]

Did you find this?
Maybe they made a mistake with her surname?

Marriages Sep 1901
ABRAM James W. Derby 8b 1140
GRIFFITHS Edwin Arthur W.Derby 8b 1140
Hatton Margaret W. Derby 8b 1140
LLOYD Mary Elizabeth W. Derby 8b 1140

Sue

[josie7644]

Hi

Here's another possibility! (Source Freebmd)

Marriage In Sep 1901

GRIFFITHS Edwin Wolverhampton
Harris Prudence C Wolverhampton
vol 6b page 965

Obviously not the right first name, but maybe the right area.

Sorry, this was the best I could do!

Josie

[Sandyhall]

hi
All I could find is
1. Birth for Margaret Bradbury Harrison 1882 Stoke on Trent.
2. Birth for Margaret Millicent Griffiths 1902 Basford
3. Death for M.M.G. 1984 age 81 in Cornwall. Birth date 10 Nov 1902.
4. Birth for Edwin Griffiths 1878 Wolstonton.

5. 1891 Census for Margaret Elizabeth Harrison, Hanley, Staffordshire
6. 1901 Census for Margaret Elizabeth Harrison, Hanley, Staffordshire

Regards Sandy

[Pam Downes]

hi
All I could find is
1. Birth for Margaret Bradbury Harrison 1882 Stoke on Trent.
2. Birth for Margaret Millicent Griffiths 1902 Basford
3. Death for M.M.G. 1984 age 81 in Cornwall. Birth date 10 Nov 1902.
4. Birth for Edwin Griffiths 1878 Wolstonton.

5. 1891 Census for Margaret Elizabeth Harrison, Hanley, Staffordshire
6. 1901 Census for Margaret Elizabeth Harrison, Hanley, Staffordshire

Regards Sandy

I found 1, 2, 5 and 6 (didn't look for 3 or 4!), but as regards 5 and 6, there is a birth registration for a Margaret Elizabeth Harrison June quarter 1881 Stoke on Trent registration district.
The 1891 census was taken on the night of 5th April, and the 1901 census on 31st March, so had Margaret Elizabeth Harrison been born on or after 6th April 1881 she would have been only 19 at the time of the 1891 and 1901 census.

I also searched on the 1891 England census on A* for Margaret Harrison born 1882 +/- 2 years. Quite a few to choose, several with middle names/initials but no Bradbury or even a 'B'.

So was Margaret Bradbury Harrison the daughter of a Customs Officer who was in Ireland or Scotland for the 1891 and 1901 census?
Did Margaret Bradbury Harrison and Edwin Griffiths marry in Scotland? Bearing in mind that she would have been only 20 in 1902, the alleged year of marriage?
Pam

[dietabix]

Hi All
Thanks for your suggestions

A little more info

Margaret's birth =
Margaret Bradbury Harrison
1882 AM/J
Stoke Upon Trent 6b 215

Her father was =
George Bradbury Harrison .. Born George Harrison
Mother .. Mary Ann Urwin

George's mother married twice ..

George's dad .. Issac Harrison
Second husband .. Samuel Bradbury

George added Bradbury to his Harrison and became .. Bradbury Harrison

It has been hard tracing the Bradbury Harrison family as sometimes they are under Bradbury or Harrison or both.

Don't know if all this will be of any help.

Sue

[janbooth]

According to Ancestry, on the GRO record for the marriage that Josie found, i.e. Edwin GRIFFITHS Sep qtr 1901 at Wolverhampton reg district there are 3 male names shown, but only 2 female. However, Ancestry appears to have transcribed one of the male names incorrectly that of a John Thomas HUGHES as the original record reads vol 6b, page 966 not 965 as shown on Ancestry.

Using the 1911 census to try to determine who married whom, Charles HUBBALL appears to be married to a Prudence C (presumably Prudence C HARRIS) so that means that this Edwin GRIFFITHS married Elizabeth LANE so we can eliminate him.

Perhaps Edwin & Margaret never married??

Janet

[Pam Downes]

Ah, now you tell us!
In that case, perhaps the Margaret Bradbury I found with parents George and Mary A, does fit in the picture.
RG12/2174 folio 45 page 1
30 Piccadilly, Stoke on Trent
George, aged 39, is a fish merchant, and besides Margaret, there's Ralph, John, Sarah A, Jane 10, Alice and Fred.

In 1901, the family (if this is the right one) is still Bradbury, but mum Mary A has died.
RG13/2607 folio 112 page 12
30 Piccadilly, Hanley
George, 50, fishmonger, with Ralph, Mary (J? S? I?) aged 20, Maggie 19, Alice and Fred.
(The Mary (J? S? I?) aged 20, is presumably the Jane aged 10 in 1891.)

I've searched FreeBMD for a Bradbury/Griffith(s) marriage 1901-1911, and also Harrison/Griffith(s) marriage, same time period with no success. Which either means that that the marriage has been missed off the GRO Index completely, or else they married in Scotland, or they just said they were married and whoever mentioned Margaret Bradbury Griffiths in their will believed them.
The ecclesiastical district for Piccadilly was Shelton St Marks.
Might be worth contacting the Stoke on Trent registrar's office to see if they would check their records. (I'd give them a ring - they might say you have to apply for the certificate and then they'll refund your money if they can't find the record. If so, I'd ask them to check both Shelton and the Register Office records.)
Pam

[dietabix]

Thanks everyone for all your help

I have a relation living in Stoke and he goes hunting for records most weeks, but he has found nothing, it looks as though they may not have married as you say.

One of these days something may turn up

Sue

[Pam Downes]

Thanks everyone for all your help

I have a relation living in Stoke and he goes hunting for records most weeks, but he has found nothing, it looks as though they may not have married as you say.

One of these days something may turn up

Sue

Sue,
Remember that if Edwin and Margaret married in the Register Office in Stoke then unless your relative has paid to seach the indexes at the Register Office he is highly unlikely to have found any records.
I believe there will be a charge for him to search the indexes at the Office, in addition to the cost of the marriage certificate (if he's lucky enough to find a reference), but I think it would be worth it to rule out the possibility that the marriage didn't make it to the GRO Index.
I would assume that the search fee would include the indexes for all the local marriages - handy if by chance they married in a non-conformist church/chapel for some reason, because not all the non-conformist records are held in the county Archives/Record Office.
Pam