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    Valman
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sue Mackay View Post
    Sadly civil registration didn't start in Scotland until 1855, so Maria was born just too early. Scotlandspeople does have the old parish registers and I put in a search for a Maria baptised between 1851 and 1853 in Edinburgh or Midlothian, but got no hits. Maybe they had her baptised when they got back to Bethnal Green?

    Hi Sue,

    l tried the same thing and found no Maria, lve checked for a Maria born in London before and only came up with the one born in Lewisham, but looking at her can find no Maria shown as being born in Lewisham in the census, only one born in Plumstead then Woolwich which is possible as they aren't that far apart, parents John/Mary Courts,but she seems to have married a John Ginno, her name given as Annie Maria Courts in 1872 Woolwich. So am totally confused now, l think l will just try solve Thomas's whereabouts for now lol!

    Val.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sue Mackay View Post
    No, she was born in ca 1852 in Edinburgh, according to the census, but civil registration didn't start there till three years later. I couldn't find her baptism and wondered if she had been baptised in Bethnal Green, as the wife and kids apparently left hubby in Scotland, but that would be in the parish registers rather than the GRO indexes. Having said that, the Lewisham one might be worth bearing in mind if all else fails.

    Hi again Sue,

    Maria is a big mystery where she was born who knows? might have to try have a look at the parish registers around Bethnal Green for her, not sure about the Lewisham one she's a mystery too! l shall concentrate on trying to find Thomas l think.

    Thanks alot,

    Val.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valman View Post
    Hi Mutley,

    1871 still in Bethnal Green under Courts, Maria shown as born in 1854, Bethnal Green just to confuse things even more she has a child Elizabeth 3 months old!
    One can speculate endlessly on what might have been when it comes to our ancestors, but it's possible that in 1861 Martha gave the information on Maria's place of birth, whereas in 1871 Maria herself gave the information. If she was born in Scotland but brought to London as a baby, then she may well have thought of herself as a Bethnal Green lass. You'll have to keep an open mind and an eye out in both places!
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    Mid Common Close, where you have Thomas L.C.Courts in 1861, is on the Royal Mile, Edinburgh, just a short distance from the 19c wire works of Smith, Fletcher & Co. in Old Assembly Close. So it is possible that he worked there. And if you check the National Register of Archives you will find that the records of this company 1853-1924 are still in existence, including a wages book which might mention your man.

    The Pleasance, an address mentioned in an earlier reply, is also not far from these other two locations.

    It's a long shot, but might be worth trying if all else fails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sue Mackay View Post
    One can speculate endlessly on what might have been when it comes to our ancestors, but it's possible that in 1861 Martha gave the information on Maria's place of birth, whereas in 1871 Maria herself gave the information. If she was born in Scotland but brought to London as a baby, then she may well have thought of herself as a Bethnal Green lass. You'll have to keep an open mind and an eye out in both places!
    Hi Sue,

    You probably have got that right, does sound like she came from Scotland as a baby leaving her dad behind there, and probably did think of herself later as being from Bethnal Green.

    Val.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hughar View Post
    Mid Common Close, where you have Thomas L.C.Courts in 1861, is on the Royal Mile, Edinburgh, just a short distance from the 19c wire works of Smith, Fletcher & Co. in Old Assembly Close. So it is possible that he worked there. And if you check the National Register of Archives you will find that the records of this company 1853-1924 are still in existence, including a wages book which might mention your man.

    The Pleasance, an address mentioned in an earlier reply, is also not far from these other two locations.

    It's a long shot, but might be worth trying if all else fails.
    Hi Hughar,

    l will have a look for the records of the company and see if there is a mention of him, the person in the 1851 Census look like it could be him as he would probably have been on his own and it could just be a misspelling of his surname.

    Thank you for that piece of information its much appreciated,

    Val.

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    Default Thomas L.C.Courts,Edinburgh.

    Quote Originally Posted by hughar View Post
    Mid Common Close, where you have Thomas L.C.Courts in 1861, is on the Royal Mile, Edinburgh, just a short distance from the 19c wire works of Smith, Fletcher & Co. in Old Assembly Close. So it is possible that he worked there. And if you check the National Register of Archives you will find that the records of this company 1853-1924 are still in existence, including a wages book which might mention your man.

    The Pleasance, an address mentioned in an earlier reply, is also not far from these other two locations.

    It's a long shot, but might be worth trying if all else fails.

    Hi l have now checked to see if the records for Smith Fletcher are in existence, they are unfortunately part of a private collection held in Scotland, l've emailed the archives for Scotland to find out if there is any chance of getting the records checked but don't hold out much hope.

    Thank you for the advice though,

    Val.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hughar View Post
    Mid Common Close, where you have Thomas L.C.Courts in 1861, is on the Royal Mile, Edinburgh, just a short distance from the 19c wire works of Smith, Fletcher & Co. in Old Assembly Close. So it is possible that he worked there. And if you check the National Register of Archives you will find that the records of this company 1853-1924 are still in existence, including a wages book which might mention your man.

    The Pleasance, an address mentioned in an earlier reply, is also not far from these other two locations.

    It's a long shot, but might be worth trying if all else fails.
    Hi hughar,

    lve just heard from the Scottish archives and seems the papers for this company were part of a collection purchased by a Japanese University but they didn't included any records relating to the wire works so in all probability what was left of the archives which was only a wages book for the years 1894-1910 is presumed destroyed. Unfortunately that puts an end to trying to find Thomas that way.

    Val.

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