Hubert James Long Manning

[chris manning]

Hello all,

I have just found this forum and am looking for information about my father above He was born in 1916 in Watlington Norfolk. His mother was Violet Alice Manning, father unknown, but possibly a Mr Long.
My parents were divorced when I was 3/4 years old and I have never seen a photo of him, or know what hppened to him.
He is believed to have died around 1972/3 but I have never found a death certificate.
Any thoughts or suggestions

Chris Manning

[janbooth]

Chris,

Do you have his birth certificate? Hubert J L MANNING's birth was registered in the September qtr 1916 at Downham registration district, vol 4b page 504, mother's name shown as MANNING. It might just give you some extra information if you do not already have it. It might also be worth looking through the parish registers of where he was born to see if there is some extra clue in them.

Janet

[Sue Mackay]

It rather looks as if Violet Alice may have been an unmarried mother, though your father's birth certificate should tell you. Her birth is registered as Violet Alice MANNING June qtr 1897 Downham 4b/349. There is an entry on the same page for an Alice Violet MANNING, and given the 1901 census below I can only assume they were twins and given inverted identical Christian names.

1901 census:
RG13; Piece: 1892; Folio: 6; Page: 3
North Bridge, Watlington, Norfolk

James F MANNING 39 Horseman on Farm b Norfolk Gooderstone
Elizabeth wife 38 b Norfolk Marsham
James F son 13 general agricultural labourer b Norfolk Beechamwell
Mabel E dau 12 b Norfolk Beechamwell
Isaac son 11 b Norfolk Beechamwell
Harry son 8 b Norfolk Swaffham
Reginald W son 7 b Norfolk, Swaffham
Alfred E son 5 b Norfolk St.Mary's
Alice V dau 3 b Norfolk Watlington
Violet A dau 3 b Norfolk Watlington
Edith D dau 2 b Norfolk Watlington
Rose dau 5mo b Norfolk Watlington

[chris manning]

It rather looks as if Violet Alice may have been an unmarried mother, though your father's birth certificate should tell you. Her birth is registered as Violet Alice MANNING June qtr 1897 Downham 4b/349. There is an entry on the same page for an Alice Violet MANNING, and given the 1901 census below I can only assume they were twins and given inverted identical Christian names.

1901 census:
RG13; Piece: 1892; Folio: 6; Page: 3
North Bridge, Watlington, Norfolk

James F MANNING 39 Horseman on Farm b Norfolk Gooderstone
Elizabeth wife 38 b Norfolk Marsham
James F son 13 general agricultural labourer b Norfolk Beechamwell
Mabel E dau 12 b Norfolk Beechamwell
Isaac son 11 b Norfolk Beechamwell
Harry son 8 b Norfolk Swaffham
Reginald W son 7 b Norfolk, Swaffham
Alfred E son 5 b Norfolk St.Mary's
Alice V dau 3 b Norfolk Watlington
Violet A dau 3 b Norfolk Watlington
Edith D dau 2 b Norfolk Watlington
Rose dau 5mo b Norfolk Watlington

Sue, this maybe a red herring but there was another family of Mannings in the Rougham area of Norflok around 1900. I have some documents relating to a Bertha Manning who was at school in Rougham in 1906. She may be included in the 1901 census. If you have access to this could you check please? If nothing else it will serve to eliminate any connection

Thanks

Chris

[Geoffers]

RG13/1874 f65 p4
Rougham
Edward MANNING, hd, mar, 46, shepherd on farm
Harriet Manning, wf, mar, 42
Bessie Manning, dau, unm, 16
Ann Manning, dau, unm, 14
Bertha S Manning, dau, 2

all born Rougham

[chris manning]

That must be the family. I can't find any link to my relatives though. I have Bertha's Norfolk County Council Rougham school attendance certificates for 1906 to 1912 so guess she went to same village shool up to age 13.
If any one is related to her please get in touch

Chris

[D. Manning]

Chris: Edward Manning (known as Ted) was a shepherd from a long line of shepherds from the village of Rougham.

Edward Seals "Ted" Manning b. 8 Sep 1854, Rougham

s/o William Manning b. 1810, Rougham and Sarah Frost, Rougham

s/o William Manning b. 1790-1792, Great Bircham and Mary Seale

I checked my database and there are no Mannings in this line from the parish you are searching, and no Violet Mannings.

Mannings have been in the Rougham area from at least the 1500's . I am stuck on connecting William Manning b. 1790 to parents, and on expanding on Mary Seale's parentage and family. I believe her parents were Mark Seals and Margaret (?). Any one have further information?

[chris manning]

Thanks "D"

As you can see, I have no direct connections to the Mannings in Rougham, but obtained some of Bertha Manning's possesions, so if you are related to her or know anyone who is, let me know.
Through another family tree site I have connections to someone who may be descended from the Williams, so I will see what I can find out

Chris

[Alan Welsford]

Hello all,
He is believed to have died around 1972/3 but I have never found a death certificate.

Hi Chris,

I'm sure I'm only double checking what you have already looked for thoroughly yourself.

But I agree, I looked for that death and couldn't find it (1970-1975).

So either the death wasn't when you think it was, or it's not in the name you are expecting. (I think it's pretty hard to leave a death unregisterd).

I kept an eye out for James as well as Hubert, but didn't see a likely looking one of those either.

Sorry, but I thought it was worth a quick look.

Alan

[chris manning]

Thanks for the replies so far.

Good to get a prompt response.
Yes I have his birth certifcate and he wal illegitimate. She had an earlier daughter registered as Sybil Long, so the fact thst he was registered Hubert James Long Manning hints at a MR Long!
I tried the parish records of Wiggenhall St Peter via a Private Message...no sign of Sybil but Hubert baptised there with no father's name given.
She had a 3rd child Eric Manning before marrying a Mr Rose and having 8 more children, and 2 more husbands - a Mr Cramp and a Mr Smith.

Colourful lady my nan! though I never really knew her myself.

Sue's census data is right so Violet Alice came from a big family too, including a twin sister Alice Violet (Think they might not have been expecting 2 so ran out of names)

Death certificate is another big challenge. The only other Hubert Manning I have ever found was from Newcastle and died in a fire on the Isle of Man.

I found a death for a Herbert Manning in Feb 1973 who was born in Norfolk and that is as near as I have got.

Violet (Smith) and her 2nd husband Mr Cramp are both thought to be buried at Walpole St Peter, though the parish records were stolen from the church in the sixties. She died around 1967/68.

So I am a bit stuck

Chris