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  1. #1
    hughar
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    Default John Hawker family 1700s

    Can anyone identify this Hawker family for me?

    John Hawker had two daughters, Mary and Elizabeth.

    Mary Hawker married John David Ziegel at St.Thomas the Apostle, Exeter on 3 January 1746. They had two daughters, Mary who married Rev.Henry Mugg of Chudleigh, and Elizabeth who married Nicholas Phene of London, an Upholsterer. Mary (Hawker) Ziegel died in Chudleigh in 1811.

    Elizabeth Hawker married Rev. Nicholas Cross at Ottery St.Mary on 18 March 1757. They settled in Trowbridge, Wiltshire, and Elizabeth died there in 1804.

    John Hawker died in Trowbridge, Wilts. in 1780, but was not from there. He was described as a Gentleman, and left over £6000 in his will, shared between the families of his two daughters. From the information given above, I believe he was from Devon.

    Any suggestions will be welcome.
    Hugh

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    MGPP
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    Dear Hugh

    I have a particular interest in John Hawker as John David Ziegel was my 5th Great Grandfather and I have traced many of his descendants down to the present day. This is the information I have on him:

    Individual Report for John Hawker


    Individual Summary: John Hawker

    Sex: Male
    Father: John Hawker
    Mother: Mary Furze

    Individual Facts:

    Birth: Apr 1690 in St Mary Steps, Exeter, Devon, England
    Baptism: 13 Apr 1690 in Saint Mary Steps, Exeter, Devon
    Christening: 13 Apr 1690 in St Mary Steps, Exeter, Devon, England
    Vital:
    Death: 1780 in Trowbridge

    Shared Facts: Mary Rowe

    Marriage: 06 May 1714 in St Olave, Exeter, Devon, England
    Children: Mary Hawker
    Elizabeth Hawker
    John Hawker
    Richard Hawker
    Jacob Hawker

    Notes:

    Person Notes:
    Will of John Hawker of Trowbridge , Wiltshire 26 January 1780
    Devon: Exeter - Freemen 1266-1967 1670 Exeter Freemen Mayor's Court
    Book 1703-1727 County: Devonshire Country: England Nov. 19 1722 John
    Hawker, haberdasher, apprentice of David Bingham
    Devon: Exeter - Freemen 1266-1967 1670 Exeter Freemen 1737 Roll of
    Freemen 1735-1740 and Mayor's Court Book 1727-1758 County:
    Devonshire Country: England Aug. 15 1737 George Richards, apprentice of
    John Hawker, grocer.

    I would be interested to know how much you have been able to find out about him.

    Michael

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    MGPP
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    Dear Hugh

    As a result of the information you have given me I have established that the John Hawker of Trowbridge who is in my family tree was a Grocer/Linen Draper from Exeter who was the son of James Hawker of Luppitt and married a Mary Brinley. His sister was the Elizabeth Hawker who married Nicholas Munkley in 1718 and following his death in 1730 she married John Duntze in 1733. When Elizabeth Duntze died in 1777 she left legacies to her brother John Hawker and to her nieces Mrs Ziegel and Mrs Cross who were John Hawker's children. So her Will is a link between James Hawker of Luppitt and John Hawker of Trowbridge.

    Here is some of the information I have recorded on John Hawker of Trowbridge:

    Individual Report for John Hawker

    Father: James Hawker
    Mother: Susanna

    Individual Facts:

    Birth: Abt. 1695 in Devon
    Residence: 26 Feb 1710 in Exton, England
    Residence: 24 Aug 1730 in Exon, England
    Residence: 09 Oct 1736 in Exeter Devon
    Reidence: Ottery St Mary around 1745
    Death: 1779 in Trowbridge
    Occupation: Grocer /Linen Draper

    Shared Facts: Mary Brinley

    Marriage: 18 Feb 1718 in Saint Petrock, Exeter, Devon
    Children: Mary Hawker
    Elizabeth Hawker
    John Hawker

    Notes:

    Person Notes: Master's Name:Ben Brinley Grocer - Apprentice Name:John Hawker son of James Hawker of Luppitt Residence Location:Exton Payment Date:26 Feb 1710
    Feb. 26 1722 John Hawker, grocer, apprentice of Benjamin Brinly
    Book:1670 Collection: Devon: Exeter - Freemen 1266-1967
    Master's Name:John Hawker Linen Draper Apprentice Name:Wm Clark
    Payment Date:9 Oct 1736
    Devon: Exeter - Freemen 1266-1967 1670 Exeter Freemen 1737 Roll of
    Freemen 1735-1740 and Mayor's Court Book 1727-1758 County:
    Devonshire Country: England Aug. 15 1737 George Richards, apprentice of
    John Hawker, grocer.
    Feb. 6 1744 William Clarke, apprentice of John Hawker, grocer Book:1670
    Will of John Hawker of Trowbridge, Wiltshire 26 January 1780

    There was another John Hawker in Exeter at the time who was married to May Rowe and was a Haberdasher and it is his details which I included in my previous note.

    The information you gave me has enabled me to make some significant changes to my tree and has opened up a whole new field for research.

    In particular the identity of James Hawkers wife Susanna remains a mystery and I would welcome any information on this.

    Thank You!

    Michael

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    mberridge
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    Default Mary Zeigel Mugg 1790

    Hi Michael, I have in my possession a late 18th century sampler with, unusually, 3 names upon it. It is the work of 3 people of which the middle person is Mary Zeigel Mugg (dated 1790). Before her work, a few lines up is the stitched moniker of S Mugg. At the very bottom of the sampler, 34 years later (dated 1824) is the name of Mary Anne Mugg. Could you possibly shine any light on this, as you seem to be my main line of information.
    Quote Originally Posted by MGPP View Post
    Best wishes
    Paul


    Dear Hugh

    I have a particular interest in John Hawker as John David Ziegel was my 5th Great Grandfather and I have traced many of his descendants down to the present day. This is the information I have on him:

    Individual Report for John Hawker


    Individual Summary: John Hawker

    Sex: Male
    Father: John Hawker
    Mother: Mary Furze

    Individual Facts:

    Birth: Apr 1690 in St Mary Steps, Exeter, Devon, England
    Baptism: 13 Apr 1690 in Saint Mary Steps, Exeter, Devon
    Christening: 13 Apr 1690 in St Mary Steps, Exeter, Devon, England
    Vital:
    Death: 1780 in Trowbridge

    Shared Facts: Mary Rowe

    Marriage: 06 May 1714 in St Olave, Exeter, Devon, England
    Children: Mary Hawker
    Elizabeth Hawker
    John Hawker
    Richard Hawker
    Jacob Hawker

    Notes:

    Person Notes:
    Will of John Hawker of Trowbridge , Wiltshire 26 January 1780
    Devon: Exeter - Freemen 1266-1967 1670 Exeter Freemen Mayor's Court
    Book 1703-1727 County: Devonshire Country: England Nov. 19 1722 John
    Hawker, haberdasher, apprentice of David Bingham
    Devon: Exeter - Freemen 1266-1967 1670 Exeter Freemen 1737 Roll of
    Freemen 1735-1740 and Mayor's Court Book 1727-1758 County:
    Devonshire Country: England Aug. 15 1737 George Richards, apprentice of
    John Hawker, grocer.

    I would be interested to know how much you have been able to find out about him.

    Michael

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    MGPP
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    I have only just picked up this question.

    Mary Ziegel married the Rev Henry Mugg of Chudleigh in Feb 1779 - they had one daughter called Sarah born in 1782 and another called Mary Ziegel born in 1781. Mary Ziegel was my 5th great grandmother.

    This was Henry Mugg's second marriage - his first wife produced a son called Henry Holman Mugg who had a daughter called Mary Ann Mugg who was born in 1811.

    I hope this answers the question but I can supply more information if required.

    Best wishes Michael

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    Hello

    I know this thread is a few years old....but here goes!

    I believe that John David Zeigel was a subscriber to the fund that paid for the founding of the Dissenters' graveyard in Exeter and that he was buried in the same graveyard in 1781. We also have a record of an Ann Ziegel (d. 9 June 1754) buried in the graveyard.

    I'd be delighted to know more about the Zeigel family of Exeter. The graveyard website is www.edgt.org.uk

    Many thanks and best wishes.

    Ian

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    Hello Ian,

    Welcome to British-Genealogy.

    As you rightly noted, this thread is several years old, and all of the original posters are no longer forum members (as noted by the word 'guest' under their usernames) and we have no contact details for them.

    I found the graveyard website interesting and have added it to the 'Devon resources' sticky at the top of the Devon forum.

    I presume that you might already have some information about the Zeigel family, so if you'd like to post that, and then add what else you'd like to find out I'm sure our sleuths will see what they can find.

    Pam
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    Thanks Pam.
    It was a long shot!
    As you probably gathered, we are conducting research on people buried in the Exeter Dissenters' graveyard from 1748 to 1854 and their families. I've only just started work on the Ziegels, and I'll certainly post something about them in the next few days.
    We're very happy to share information on the families we've researched, so I appreciate you adding the website to the Resources page.
    Cheers
    Ian

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