Carrie WILLIAMS born Helston 1900

[BrendaE]

Hi There

This is my first post, so be gentle with me!

I'm trying to find a birth certificate for my great gran and am struggling.

Her first name was Carrie, any ideas what this could have been short for (I can't find her certificate or any census entry for her under the name of Carrie). The only name I can think of that it may be short for is Caroline, any other suggestions?

Thanks for your help.

The (several) Carolines in my family all had their names shorted to Carrie.

Bren

[sally]

Hi Bren

Has 'Carrie's' daughter got her own birth certificate? Hopefully this will show her mother's name as more than Carrie although I have a female ancestor who is Francis on her marriage certificate and Fanny on her son's birth certificate.

Regards
Sally

[christanel]

1901 census RG13 piece 2233 folio 61 page 12

Helston Cornwall 5 Godolphin (?) Road
Fanny Allen wife 40 charwoman born Hendron (?)
Annie dau 21 general srvant domestic Hendron
Janes son 14 Errand boy Helston
Ida Chegwidden boarder 9 Helston
Edith Francis boarder 3 Helston
Carrie Williams 6 months boarder Helston

On the previous page and living at no 3.

Florence Williams wife 34 living on own means Born Enfield Middlesex
Alice dau 14 Mawgan
Eliza dau 11 Helston
Frederick son 8 Camborne
Eva dau 2 Helston
John Williams son 1 Helston

Both Fanny Allen and Florence Williams say they are the wife of ...but no husband in sight. Are they fishermen?

Any good?
Christina

[Sandyhall]

We think Carrie's father was called John
Cheers

As you only think her fathers name is John you need to make sure it is before you do anything else. Or you could get the wrong family altogether. Williams is a common surname name by that I mean their are lots of them.

Her Marriage cert should tell you her Fathers name and his Occupation and weather he was still alive when she married. I would look for this first before you look for her birth.

Sandy

[Sandyhall]

Search of C Williams from Helston, Cornwall brought up the following

Births Sep 1898
Williams Clara Helston 5c 170
Births Mar 1899
Williams Charlotte Annie Helston 5c 161
Births Mar 1900
Williams Crisilda Caroline J Helston 5c 159
Births Jun 1901
WILLIAMS Clarice Alene Helston 5c 169
Births Sep 1902
Williams Courtney Helston 5c 156

Sandy

[clare_bear]

1901 census RG13 piece 2233 folio 61 page 12

Helston Cornwall 5 Godolphin (?) Road
Fanny Allen wife 40 charwoman born Hendron (?)
Annie dau 21 general srvant domestic Hendron
Janes son 14 Errand boy Helston
Ida Chegwidden boarder 9 Helston
Edith Francis boarder 3 Helston
Carrie Williams 6 months boarder Helston


Both Fanny Allen and Florence Williams say they are the wife of ...but no husband in sight. Are they fishermen?

Any good?
Christina

That census entry looks correct - thanks very much! Carrie was unofficially adopted by Fanny Allen, I think (well, an Allen anyway). And the address is in the right area too. Thanks ever so much.

I don't know if Fanny Allen's wife was a fisherman, but I have a great aunt who may be able to tell me, I'll ask her if she knows.

Thanks very much, Christina, that's brilliant.

[clare_bear]

Search of C Williams from Helston, Cornwall brought up the following

Births Sep 1898
Williams Clara Helston 5c 170
Births Mar 1899
Williams Charlotte Annie Helston 5c 161
Births Mar 1900
Williams Crisilda Caroline J Helston 5c 159
Births Jun 1901
WILLIAMS Clarice Alene Helston 5c 169
Births Sep 1902
Williams Courtney Helston 5c 156

Sandy

Thanks, Sandy. Hmmmm, hard to tell if my Carrie is any of those...I guess Clarice Alene is a possibility as I think she was born in Nov 1900 (which would fit with the above census entry, which I'm pretty confident about).

Of course, it's possible she wasn't called Carrie at all, I suppose - there is a bit of a history of that in that side of the family! She is on her marriage certificate and 2 of her daughters birth cerificates as Carrie, but she was a pretty spirited lady, so if she wanted to be called Carrie, I reckon she would have been, official documents or not!

And her father was definitely John on her marriage certificate, he was a tin miner, so that could be an avenue worth exploring for more information, I suppose ?

Thanks for all the help...the search continues

[clare_bear]

Dennis Joseph Helston 5c 321
PUNNETT Florence Katherine Helston 5c 321
TRELOAR Caroline Helston 5c 321
WILLIAMS John Helston 5c 321

What do you think? Worth getting the marriage certificate to see if he's a Tin Miner, or would that still be too tenuous? As I've been trying to find this for so long, I'm inclined to get over-excited and latch onto the first link!

I'll try to ask my aunt asap if the name Florence rings a bell. There is no mention of a baby Florence (or similar) on the 1901 census entry, but it's possible that if Carrie was with a neighbour, Florence could be too - especially as they were both unofficially adopted after their mum's death.

Cheers all, you rock!

[dawn/karen]

i have found their wedding and she was named on that as carrie

Marriages Sep 1922 (>99%)
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GOLDSWORTHY James H Williams Penzance 5c 481

WILLIAMS Carrie Goldsworthy Penzance 5c 481

[dawn/karen]

i would suggest that as the lady will have passed on now we should work back with her age from the death certificate as there are a few carrie williams from that area