What happened to Mary Ann Howick

[carolp]

Good Morning All

I have a conundrum for you to look at for me please, so here is the story so far .............

Mary Ann Phillips was born in Brighton in 1886 to parents Archibald Phillips and Emily Gorringe, she married Arthur Jesse Howick in Brighton on 31.05.1909.

The couple had 2 children Christopher Philip Leslie Howick born 29.09.1910 in Brighton, died 25.04.1999, Francis (Frank) Archibald Howick born 12.08.1913 in Brighton, died 11.11.2010

The two boys were in the Warren Farm School in Brighton in 1921, with the census saying both parents alive. Arthur Jesse was living with his sister Louisa in 1921, no sign of Mary Ann Howick?

In the 1923 electoral register, Arthur Jesse Howick and Mary Ann Howick were living together in Brighton.

In 1925, Arthur Jesse Howick married in Brighton to Edith Annie Humberstone

My question to you all is "What happened to Mary Ann Howick?"

I have checked the immigration and travel, and could find nothing.

Can you help please?

Many thanks in advance for any info you can provide.

Regards

Carol

[carolp]

I have just received notice that when Arthur Jesse Howick married Edith Annie Humberstone, the information on the marriage certificate stated that Arthur Jesse Howick was a widower????

Hope this helps

Carol

[warncoort]

Have you seen the 1926 death for Mary Howick,regd Jul Qtr,Chelsea RD,Aged 50,1a,344?

[carolp]

Have you seen the 1926 death for Mary Howick,regd Jul Qtr,Chelsea RD,Aged 50,1a,344?

Yes, I did see that death, but Mary Ann Phillips was registered as being born in 1886, so in 1926 she would have been 40, not 50!

When her husband Arthur Jesse Howick remarried in the December quarter of 1925, he said he was a widower.

Thanks for your help anyway.

Carol

[christanel]

Yes, I did see that death, but Mary Ann Phillips was registered as being born in 1886, so in 1926 she would have been 40, not 50!

When her husband Arthur Jesse Howick remarried in the December quarter of 1925, he said he was a widower.

Thanks for your help anyway.

Carol

He may have been telling a lie about being a widower.

I did take a look at all deaths om FreeBMD from 1923 for a Mary Ann Howick and couldn't see any with a death age which would give a birth date in the 1880's.

There is a marriage of a Mary A Howick to a John Charlwood September 1/4 1926 registration district Reigate Surrey. Reigate is about 32 miles north of Brighton. Of course if she and Arthur were separated and remarried Mary Ann could have used her maiden name on remarriage. From 1923 onwards there are 3 marriages of a Mary A Phillips in Sussex 1930, 1933, 1939, the first two being in the Brighton registration district.

I haven't picked up on any other clues as to her whereabouts after 1923. Just a thought but the electoral register may not have been altered for 1923. I know from experience that someone can appear on a register and they are not actually there and the register has not been updated so Mary Ann may have left before 1923 especially as she wasn't with Arthur in 1921. I wonder if patients in institutions were still being recorded by initials only in the 1920/s as sometimes happened in the previous century.

Christina

[carolp]

He may have been telling a lie about being a widower.

I did take a look at all deaths om FreeBMD from 1923 for a Mary Ann Howick and couldn't see any with a death age which would give a birth date in the 1880's.

There is a marriage of a Mary A Howick to a John Charlwood September 1/4 1926 registration district Reigate Surrey. Reigate is about 32 miles north of Brighton. Of course if she and Arthur were separated and remarried Mary Ann could have used her maiden name on remarriage. From 1923 onwards there are 3 marriages of a Mary A Phillips in Sussex 1930, 1933, 1939, the first two being in the Brighton registration district.

I haven't picked up on any other clues as to her whereabouts after 1923. Just a thought but the electoral register may not have been altered for 1923. I know from experience that someone can appear on a register and they are not actually there and the register has not been updated so Mary Ann may have left before 1923 especially as she wasn't with Arthur in 1921. I wonder if patients in institutions were still being recorded by initials only in the 1920/s as sometimes happened in the previous century.

Christina

Thanks Christina, I will look at your suggestions

Do you know where I can find records for the mental asylum in Lewes?

Carol

[christanel]

The National Archives says that the records for Lewes are held by the East Brighton and Hove Record Office.
Contact details here https://discovery.nationalarchives.g...ls/a/A13531661
Christina

[almach]

So far as I'm aware registers were published the year after being taken, if that's right Mary Ann could have died in 1922.

[Pam Downes]

If you haven't already got Mary Ann's birth certificate, I think I'd invest three quid in a digital image copy. You could then use the birth date to search the 1939 Register and check out the history of any Marys born on that date. (And possibly a year either side.)

Re electoral registers, for quite a few years I went nowhere trying to find a death certificate for my great-grandfather who was listed in the electoral registers up to 1930. He wasn't listed in the 1939 Register, but the only likely death registration in the intervening years wasn't his. As more records came online, someone found his death registration for me - in British Columbia in 1931. He'd actually gone to Canada as a harvester in 1923, and doesn't appear to have returned before he died.

Re the 1921 census, have you checked other members of Mary's family - parents, siblings, aunts, uncles, cousins, etc - with whom she might be staying and mis-indexed under their surname. Or even just mis-indexed with Howick being transcribed as Hawick, Harwich, etc?