Pyatt

[almach]

1851 Wednesbury Piece 2027; Folio 396; Page 37

William Edwards, 67 Head, ag. lab. Bewdley Worcestershire
Taboiatha Edwards 55 Wife, Kettley
Jane Edwards, 18? (unclear) Daughter, charwoman Bilston
William Edwards, 16 Son, Iron ??? Bilston
Richard Edwards, 14 Son, Iron Forge Lab. Bilston

[almach]

Death
EDWARDES, TABETHA, age 65
GRO Reference: 1859 D Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 433

[David Tuson]

Hello David, here's some of the children. I did some searching a few days ago and once I check the notes I made I could have others on file.

EDWARDS, LOIS POTTS
GRO Reference: 1859 M Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 677

EDWARDS, ELIZABETH POTTS
GRO Reference: 1854 S Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 591

EDWARDS, ALICE POTTS
GRO Reference: 1861 S Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 643

EDWARDS, JOHN POTTS
GRO Reference: 1868 M Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 761

Many thanks for the above - I am stunned and feel rather stupid. I couldn't find any of those using my old laptop until I entered the reference details that you provided. The lesson is simple - use my newer desktop computer in future.

In terms of the grandparents of William born 1865 (registered 1866) that will be pure speculation. Obviously I will look at all the Williams on the 1851 and 1841 census returns. The only connection I can think of using would be the occupation 'Shingler' if that was recorded. I will send for William (1866) birth certificate which hopefully will include a place of residence which may help in my search.

With reference to your earlier post "Did Elizabeth Edwards have a brother William born abt. 1842 in Staffordshire? If so Elizabeth and William Pyott/Pyatt possibly had a dau named Lois". Given the different ages of William on the census returns I am tending to think that Elizabeth was William's daughter - what do you think?

Regards David

[almach]

The only connection I can think of using would be the occupation 'Shingler'

Shingler could be described as iron or steel worker.

https://www.
familyresearcher.co.uk/glossary/Dictionary-of-Old-Occupations-jobs-beginning-S4.html

"Did Elizabeth Edwards have a brother William born abt. 1842 in Staffordshire? If so Elizabeth and William Pyott/Pyatt possibly had a dau named Lois". Given the different ages of William on the census returns I am tending to think that Elizabeth was William's daughter

I agree.

[David Tuson]

Did Elizabeth Edwards have a brother William born abt. 1842 in Staffordshire? If so Elizabeth and William Pyott/Pyatt possibly had a dau named Lois.

1891 Sheffield Piece 3833; Folio 79

Martha Brierley 29 head Staffs
William Edwards 49 father Staffs
Lois Pyat 10, niece, Openshaw.

Hi

I decided to try to find a bit more about Martha Brierley starting with the 1891 census on which she is recorded as Widow.

I found her marriage certificate in 1881 to James Brierly.

As she was a widow my search on the 1901 census used Martha born 1887 with her mother Martha in the "another person" field. I got a match RG13/3681 Page 28 on which Martha is recorded as Married and James is listed as the Head. There are additional children born between 1895 and 1901 but as yet I haven't found them on either FreeBMD or the GRO -but I have only just started looking. Nor can I find a 1911 census for Martha but again early days of searching.

My questions -

Why did Martha say she was married in 1891 - the image clearly shows "WID" so not a transcription error. Could it have been miscoding by the Enumerator perhaps?

Phonetic searches on Brierley haven't produced any results - any suggestions for alternatives?

I am relishing the challenges of this line in my family - rekindled my enthusiasm for family history.

[almach]

These records make the 1901 census puzzling!

Marriage Parish Church Sheffield Sept 17th 1892.

George Bancroft age 28, bachelor, gatekeeper, 5, Bessemer Square, father James a driller
Martha Brierley age 29, widow, 5, Bessemer Square, father William Edwards a labourer
Witnesses: Thomas Whitworth and Elizabeth Whitworth.

Birth Registrations

BANCROFT, EDITH, MMN EDWARDS
GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 779

BANCROFT, GEORGINA, MMN EDWARDS
GRO Reference: 1894 D Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 797

BANCROFT, MARY, MMN EDWARDS
GRO Reference: 1898 D Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 825

BANCROFT, ALICE ANN, MMN EDWARDS
GRO Reference: 1896 D Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 770

1911 Census: Piece 23736; RD 464
George Bancroft 46, widower, Manchester
Georgina Bancroft 16, Openshaw
Alice Bancroft 14, Openshaw
Edith Bancroft 10, Openshaw

Deaths Dec 1902, BANCROFT Martha age 41 Chorlton 8c 548

[almach]

James Brierley is age 21 at marriage in 1881

There's this death registration which fits: James Brierley age 30, Dec qrt 1890, Sheffield, 9c 372

[David Tuson]

James Brierley is age 21 at marriage in 1881

There's this death registration which fits: James Brierley age 30, Dec qrt 1890, Sheffield, 9c 372

I had spotted that and had assumed he was Martha's husband. But the 1901 census RG13/3681/18/28 listing both James and Martha completely confused me. After reading your posts about her second marriage why did she give the enumerator such incorrect details? One other question I wonder is the reason they travelled to Sheffield. The only reason I can think is that there was (is) a steel industry there.

Once again you have provided me with more snippets for my mum's ancestry fo which I am eternally grateful.

David