The only hospital war diaries I'm aware of are the ones at the National Archives, but as the 12th General was by then under the control of the US Army, there are no UK records held for the relevant date(s). As mentioned earlier, I've checked the Convalescent Depot and those records are little more than statistics (I posted the link if you wanted to download it for yourself).
Once in the UK there wouldn't be any war diaries, so you would have to try & track down any relevant records from the individual military hospitals, although few seem to have survived.
I think the 'sick and injured' refers to the fact that he'd previously been wounded. The war was over by the time he was demobilised, but he was only in the UK because he'd been gassed - otherwise he would still have been mobilised in France.
I can't agree that he remained sick and wounded as he went into Class Z Reserves, which meant he was liable to be immediately re-called to service in the event of further hostilities. If he was unfit for further service he'd have been discharged under Paragraph 32 (xvi) of the Kings Regulations and qualified for a Silver War Badge.
It seems to me that he was simply in the right place at the right time, ie he had recovered from being gassed but as the war was over there was nothing to be served from sending him back to his unit, so he was demobilised pending final discharge.
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#21 Thank you for references - I have been reading the war and other diaries.I am able to read some information, but some is illegible (to me).
I would like to be able to understand my great uncle's service during the period he was in 171st Brigade (MEF) and also 170th Brigade (Western Front). Are there any typed documents that would show chronological order of events?
I have looked at National Archives but all my search results result in naught. I think I may be searching incorrectly, as I am unsure as to what is Unit, Battalion, Regiment, Divisional Artillery etc - I am also failing with Ancestry searches!
Any advice re searching for MEF and BEF records would be much appreciated.
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Sorry, I've been away.
Divisional Troops: 170 Brigade Royal Field Artillery (1915 Dec - 1916 Feb) - and -
Divisional Troops: 171 Brigade Royal Field Artillery (1916 Jan - Mar)
Both here: https://discovery.nationalarchives.g...ils/r/C4557742
Re your earlier question, the war diary doesn't suggest they were involved in a specific battle at the time, but were based around Adinfer Wood, Douchy and Ayette. The general hostilities may well have been connected to the German Spring Offensive however, and the 31st Division had been involved in some earlier parts of the Battles of the Lys
https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army...31st-division/
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Thank you very much for information. The long long trail article about the 31st division is very interesting.
The link to National Archives 170 and 171 Brigade - Divisional troops says that records not digitised, only available to view at Kew.
I was hoping that the war diaries for the MEF, Jan-Mar 1916 would be available, just as the BEF war diaries you kindly sent me the link for.
Does that mean that the MEF war diaries are not available via Ancestry? (and not just me searching under the wrong terms?).
Thanks again for all your help - much appreciated.
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Apologies - I was rushing so missed that the link said they hadn't been digitised.
I find Ancestry quite difficult for finding war diaries at times, but if TNA hasn't digitised them or signposted 'other ways to view', then I'd assume they can only be viewed at Kew.
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# 28 No problem,you have been extremely helpful to me,thank you... I am new to this (as I am sure you can tell!) and thought my failure with Ancestry was due to my operator error - and may well be, come to think of it lol
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Re #24
I have carried out further research about the 12 St Louis USA hospital at Rouen you mentioned - and found a web page with the heading 'Northwestern Remembers the First World War',that section includes photographs, a poem written by a nurse on duty, copy of worker's permit etc, and also an extract from the war diaries of Dr M Pinson Neal.
I have emailed the Northwestern University - Special Collections and Archives department to ask for copies of Dr Pinson Neal diaries for April 1918, when my uncle Bill was hospitalised; I realise he will not be mentioned by name, though the information provided will help build up a picture about his life during the war. I should receive info the week after next - fingers crossed.
Thank you once again for your help, it really is appreciated.
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