another rimini in the uk

[Beek1956]

Dear felllow researchers

Stumbled on yet another Rimini who lived in the UK, have tried sites as FreeBMD, Familysearch etc but a lot is hidden.

Name: SIMON RIMINI, SON OF JECHIEL RIMINI AND REBECCA VIEJRA, BORN july 19, 1845 Amsterdam
Married december 1874 in Bethnal Green London to ANNE TOSCANE, no data yet
Simon died december 1916, also Bethnal Green. He is in the 1861 census of Spital Fields on Bell Lane, occupation: slipper maker. ON that adress also lives a Abraham Vieijra of 1837, maybe related to Rebecca?

So, please help to piece together his and her life in the UK, thanks to you all.\Have a great weekend.

Paul Beek

[Megan Roberts]

There is a tree on Ancestry owned by Anthony T, called “Musaphia family(4)(1)(5) that includes Simon, and which gives earlier generations for Rebecca Viejra. That tree goes on to list Simon and Anne’s children, grandchildren etc. I won't list out that information but let you have a look for yourself.

Listed below is information taken from the source records:

1861 Census: 20, Bell Lane, Spitalfields, He was living with his uncle and aunt Abraham and Rachel Vieijra who were also born in Holland. He was 15 years old and was a slipper maker as was his uncle.

1871 Census: Spitalfields, Whitechapel – he was aged 25 and living with his uncle Levy Rood, and his wife Ester, and their children Simon, Henry and Abraham. Simon was a slipper maker. His uncle and aunt and cousins were all born in Holland.

Marriage 26 Dec 1874 at St. James the Great, Bethnal Green. Simon Rimini shoemaker, father: Michael – gentleman and Annie Toscane daughter of John, who was dead. Simon could sign his name, Annie could not.

Workhouse Admission Record: 2 May 1877 – 7 May 1877, Tower Hamlets, London. I cannot read the cause of his admission, but he was taken out by his uncle.

1881 Census: No 8 Duke St, Whitechapel a slipper maker, They have 5 sons living with them: Michael (9), Alexander (8), Jacob (7), Solomon (5) and Abraham.

1901 Census: Bethnal Green – vegetable costermonger hawk working for himself. Both he and his wife were born in Holland. Living with them were sons Abraham (20), and John (19) and a daughter Rebecca (15). All were unmarried and their occupations were: Bricklayers labourer, Tailors cutter, and cigar maker’s apprentice.

1911 Census: 99 Coventry St, Bethnal Green, London. He was a fruiterer. He was 69 and his wife 60 and they had been married for 42 years and had had 8 children all of whom were living. Living with them was a son Alexandra aged 39 who was a widower, another son Henry aged 27 who was married to Louisa age 27 and their surviving daughter Louisa aged 7 months. Henry had been married for 3 years and they had had 2 children, one of which had died. The sons had the same occupation as their father.

Death – registration index: Bethnal Green 1916, Jan Qtr, Vol 1C Page 238; aged 71. He was buried 1 March 1916 at Newham, London

[Pam Downes]

1911 census
Living Coventry Street, Bethnal Green
Census reference RG14/PN1431 SN385
Simon Rimini, 69, fruiterer, born Holland
Annie, wife, 60, Holland
Alexandra (sic), son, 39, widower, fruiterer, London, Spitalfields
Henry, son, 27, married, fruiterer, London, Whitechapel
Louisa, daughter-in-law, 27, London, Whitechapel
Louisa, daughter (should be granddaighter), 7 months, London, Bethnal.
Henry and Louisa Cecilia Riley married September quarter 1908, Bethnal Green registration district.
They had another childas well as baby Louisa, but the other one died. You can find out more from the indexes at
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/c...ates/login.asp
Simon and Annie said to have been married 42 years, and had eight children, all still living.

I've never used FamilySearch for the census, but experimented and found Simon in 1911 and 1901 without any problems apart from the fact that FS seem to completely missed up with the census reference numbers. I have absolutely no idea where they got them from.
Click on Simon's name, and then click the 'open all' link for details about all the other people listed.
1901 census
Living in Bethnal Green.
Census reference RG13/290 folio 157 page 4
Simon aged 59.

No Riminis in 1891 or 1881 census.
However, six birth registrations on FreeBMD for that name. Use in conjunction with the GRO site to confirm mother's maiden name.
See which children are listed in 1901/1911 to see if any are missing from the FreeBMD list. (The one born in 1900 might be a grandchild of Simon.) Then look on FreeBMD for a Frederick/Barbara/Zebedee/whoever born in Whitechapel registration district in a year +/- 1 or 2 years of their age on the census. e.g. If there's a Frederick aged 17 in 1901 who's not showing on FreeBMD, then search FreeBMD with no surname, first name Frederick, born 1882-1886 in Whitechapel registration district and see what possible surnames you can find.
For starters, Alexander Rimoni, December quarter 1872, Whitechapel registration district.
From information in Megan's post, Michael Rimini birth registration in 1871.

in 1871 Simon is likely to be the one aged 25, living in Whitechapel in the household of Levy Rood.
Census reference RG10/510 folio 4 page 4.

ADDED:
Must learn to type faster when Megan's around. Must also learn to search better because Megan found the family in 1881 and 1891.

[Pam Downes]

Well I've I've found out why there is no Simon Rimini in the 1881 census. He's indexed as Samuel Rimini, which is what the enumerator's schedule clearly says. Aged 34,slipper maker, born Holland.

1891 census indexed on FMP as Simon Rimner. Age 47, slipper maker, born Holland.
Census reference RG12/282 folio 73 page 2.

[Beek1956]

There is a tree on Ancestry owned by Anthony T, called “Musaphia family(4)(1)(5) that includes Simon, and which gives earlier generations for Rebecca Viejra. That tree goes on to list Simon and Anne’s children, grandchildren etc. I won't list out that information but let you have a look for yourself.

Listed below is information taken from the source records:

1861 Census: 20, Bell Lane, Spitalfields, He was living with his uncle and aunt Abraham and Rachel Vieijra who were also born in Holland. He was 15 years old and was a slipper maker as was his uncle.

1871 Census: Spitalfields, Whitechapel – he was aged 25 and living with his uncle Levy Rood, and his wife Ester, and their children Simon, Henry and Abraham. Simon was a slipper maker. His uncle and aunt and cousins were all born in Holland.

Marriage 26 Dec 1874 at St. James the Great, Bethnal Green. Simon Rimini shoemaker, father: Michael – gentleman and Annie Toscane daughter of John, who was dead. Simon could sign his name, Annie could not.

Workhouse Admission Record: 2 May 1877 – 7 May 1877, Tower Hamlets, London. I cannot read the cause of his admission, but he was taken out by his uncle.

1881 Census: No 8 Duke St, Whitechapel a slipper maker, They have 5 sons living with them: Michael (9), Alexander (8), Jacob (7), Solomon (5) and Abraham.

1901 Census: Bethnal Green – vegetable costermonger hawk working for himself. Both he and his wife were born in Holland. Living with them were sons Abraham (20), and John (19) and a daughter Rebecca (15). All were unmarried and their occupations were: Bricklayers labourer, Tailors cutter, and cigar maker’s apprentice.

1911 Census: 99 Coventry St, Bethnal Green, London. He was a fruiterer. He was 69 and his wife 60 and they had been married for 42 years and had had 8 children all of whom were living. Living with them was a son Alexandra aged 39 who was a widower, another son Henry aged 27 who was married to Louisa age 27 and their surviving daughter Louisa aged 7 months. Henry had been married for 3 years and they had had 2 children, one of which had died. The sons had the same occupation as their father.

Death – registration index: Bethnal Green 1916, Jan Qtr, Vol 1C Page 238; aged 71. He was buried 1 March 1916 at Newham, London

Dear Megan , thanks very much for your information, of which some is puzzling:
Simon Rimini shoemaker, father: Michael – gentleman ;Simons father is named Jechiel so who is Michael?
they have 5 sons living with them: Michael (9), Alexander (8), Jacob (7), Solomon (5) and Abraham. they being Simon and Anne Toscane?so Rebecca and John mentioned in 1901 wre born later?
See that they had 8 children so that might explain different names.

tree on Ancestry owned by Anthony T, called “Musaphia: cannot open this since do not have Ancestry subscription anymore, have one for MyHeritage where my own tree is.

Thanks again for your kind help
Best regards, Paul

[helachau]

A Simon Rimini, coster, appeared in court for obstruction and advised the magistrate "I have 5 sons in the army" in a plea for clemency. He was fined 1s! (Daily Telegraph & Courier (London), 3 Nov 1900

Found the military papers for a John Rimini, No. 5489, of the King's Royal Rifle Corps, attested 10 Jun 1903. Under next of kin is recorded
Father - Simon Rimini, 28 Northampton Street, Bethnal Green
Older brother - Michael, ? Grove Road, Old Ford
Older brother - Jacob, Rifle Brigade
Older brother - Andrew, Dorsetshire Regiment
Older brother - Alexander, with father
Older brother - Abraham, with father
Younger brother - Henry, Royal West Kent Regiment

John married Violet Annie Turpin, West Ham Parish Church, 21/12/1913

[Beek1956]

A Simon Rimini, coster, appeared in court for obstruction and advised the magistrate "I have 5 sons in the army" in a plea for clemency. He was fined 1s! (Daily Telegraph & Courier (London), 3 Nov 1900

Found the military papers for a John Rimini, No. 5489, of the King's Royal Rifle Corps, attested 10 Jun 1903. Under next of kin is recorded
Father - Simon Rimini, 28 Northampton Street, Bethnal Green
Older brother - Michael, ? Grove Road, Old Ford
Older brother - Jacob, Rifle Brigade
Older brother - Andrew, Dorsetshire Regiment
Older brother - Alexander, with father
Older brother - Abraham, with father
Younger brother - Henry, Royal West Kent Regiment

John married Violet Annie Turpin, West Ham Parish Church, 21/12/1913

Dear ? cannot see a name. Thanks for your kind reply and data. Is this the same Simon, looks like these are his children only his profession is now coster, see that a lot of his work was selling fruit but the job has a different name all the time....
Best regards, Paul

[Pam Downes]

Dear Megan , thanks very much for your information, of which some is puzzling:
Simon Rimini shoemaker, father: Michael – gentleman ;Simons father is named Jechiel so who is Michael?

Look at the similarity of the letters. I suspect that Michael is a corruption of Jechiel. Either through a mis-reading of the written word, or else through a mis-hearing of the spoken word.

they have 5 sons living with them: Michael (9), Alexander (8), Jacob (7), Solomon (5) and Abraham. they being Simon and Anne Toscane?so Rebecca and John mentioned in 1901 wre born later?
See that they had 8 children so that might explain different names.

Paul, please follow the instructions in my post #3 about checking for Rimini birth registrations in Whitechapel registration district on FreeBMD and the GRO's own website. Use the GRO site to find the mother's maiden name once you have a more precise year of birth from FreeBMD.
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/c...ates/login.asp
I have already told you about Michael in 1871, and Alexander being indexed as Rimoni in 1872.

tree on Ancestry owned by Anthony T, called “Musaphia: cannot open this since do not have Ancestry subscription anymore, have one for MyHeritage where my own tree is.

Thanks again for your kind help
Best regards, Paul

[Pam Downes]

Dear ? cannot see a name. Thanks for your kind reply and data. Is this the same Simon, looks like these are his children only his profession is now coster, see that a lot of his work was selling fruit but the job has a different name all the time....
Best regards, Paul

A coster is a seller. Usually short for costermonger.
Description from an online dictionary says 'a person who sells goods, especially fruit and vegetables, from a handcart in the street'.
And yes, this is the same Simon who was a fruiterer in the 1911 census, and a slipper maker in the earlier census.

[Pam Downes]

I suspect that the missing birth registration is this one - John Remene in 1882. Mother's maiden name is different, but has the same numbers of letters, as well as some letters in the same order as other instances.