I need help to get confirmatory evidence on the identity of Thomas Sharples, who was listed as No. 8. on the unofficial list of victims of the Haydock Pit explosion in 1878.
On the list, Thomas is said to be 22 years of age, so his birth would be around 1856.
He may be related to Thomas Sharples (b.1805/06) and another Thomas Sharples (b. 1836/37) both of whom lived at 52 Parr Road.
I have not been able to find the third Thomas Sharples in any of the Census returns, and would be particularly pleased to find either a birth/christening record, or a record of a Thomas born in 1856 in the 1861 or 1871 Census. Parents are believed to be Thomas Sharples b.1806, and Esther Holland/Sharples, b.1799.
Thomas Sharples was my 2x great-grandfather, and his son Thomas on the official victim list was my great-great-uncle.
I have tried without success using FamilySearch.org and the library free edition of Ancestry .com. Any help to clear up the mystery of the third Thomas would be greatly appreciated! Of copurse, the information on the unofficial list of vitims may be wrong!
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27-11-2021, 3:30 AM #1
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From information I've seen (see end of message) the address should be 52 Park Road, Parr, Can you confirm that you've made an error?
I have not been able to find the third Thomas Sharples in any of the Census returns, and would be particularly pleased to find either a birth/christening record, or a record of a Thomas born in 1856 in the 1861 or 1871 Census. Parents are believed to be Thomas Sharples b.1806, and Esther Holland/Sharples, b.1799.
Thomas Sharples was my 2x great-grandfather, and his son Thomas on the official victim list was my great-great-uncle.
I have tried without success using FamilySearch.org and the library free edition of Ancestry .com. Any help to clear up the mystery of the third Thomas would be greatly appreciated! Of copurse, the information on the unofficial list of vitims may be wrong!
Googling 'Haydock Pit explosion 1878', I found this
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LA...odPitExplosion
It begins with the 'Official list' of victims, with the 'unofficial list' at the bottom.
For the Thomas Sharples listed as number 8 it says
8. Thomas Sharples, 22 years.
There are three "Thomas Sharples" listed in the Press but only two on the official list, a) Thomas Snr. aged 73 years who lives with his son Thomas jnr. aged 41, b) Thomas Sharples whose address is given as Park Road, Parr but he lodged with James Sharples in Haydock. it also states in the Press that he lost his brother and father in the explosion leading to the conclusion that there were three men named Thomas Sharples.
However, if you read the descriptions carefully, they imply that the elder Thomas (#135) had two sons called Thomas - which doesn't make sense. The younger Thomas' description says that he had a brother called William, who is not on the officisl list, but the William Sharples in the unofficial list (number 9) is listed as the son of Peter Sharples (number 99 on the official list).
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27-11-2021, 5:51 AM #3
There seem to be mistakes made on the casualty lists. For example
99. Peter Sharples, 35 years.
A collier, of Kenyon's Lane, Haydock who was identified
by Alice Ann Owen, his step-daughter. James Owen (No.103)
and William Sharples his son, who is unlisted in the
official records, were his drawers. Buried at St.
Thomas', Ashton, 15th June.
1871, Millfield Lane, Haydock, Piece: 3900; Folio: 69; Page number: 2
Peter Sharples 33, collier, Houghton Tower
Alice Sharples 42, Ashton in Makerfield
Margaret Owen 16, dau, Haydock
Haney Owen 14 Dau, Haydock
Alice Hannah Owen 13 Dau, Haydock
James Owen 8 Son, Haydock
William Owen 6 Son, Haydock
Robert Woodlock 34 Widor, Ashton in Makerfield
Margaret Ellen Woodlock 8 Dau, Ashton in Makerfield
William Woodlock 6 Son, Ashton in Makerfield
James Owen 14yrs; William Owen 12yrs; Peter Sharples 35yrs were all buried June 15th 1878 at St Thomas, Ashton in Makerfield.
Prescot, St Helens, 17 Aug 1868.
Peter Sharples 29, bachelor, miner, abode St Thomas Eccleston, father Peter a miner
Alice Owen 38, widow, abode St Helens, father William Woodcock a locksmith
James and Catherine Hollows were the witnessesAlma
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27-11-2021, 10:34 AM #4
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The Yorkshire Post & Leeds Intelligencer, 18 Jun 1878 in naming the latest victims "in addition to the lists previously published" included -
Thomas Sharples, 41, Park Road, Parr, Collier, single
Thomas Sharples, 73, Park Road, Parr, Collier, widower"dyfal donc a dyr y garreg"
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27-11-2021, 10:46 AM #5
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An earlier list, published in the Newcastle Courant, 14 Jun 1878 named only -
Thomas Sharples, married."dyfal donc a dyr y garreg"
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27-11-2021, 11:22 AM #6
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Thankyou for all replies! My 2x great-grandfather was the Thomas Sharples b.1805, and his son, James b.1840 was my great-grandfather. In 1841, they were living in Parr Mill Lane, Prescot, Parr.
The 1851 Census gives their address as Greenoughs Row, Parr. In 1861, the Census address is Park Road, Parr.
I do not have an entry in the 1871 Census for Thomas b.1805. However, his son James b.1839 (sic) is shown as living at Toll Bar, Haydock, with Thomas Sharples b.1836 as a boarder.
I do not have any information on the parents of Thomas b. 1806, but his wife Esther Sharples b. 1799 as the daughter of Henry Holland and Sarah Hardman.
Personally, I think the 'third' Thomas Sharples actually is a mis-identification! I would like to know if Peter Sharples and his son, William, were related to my Sharples family. While my surname is Holland, my father was actually John Sharples, b.1909 in Bolton, Lancashire. Also, I would like to find the 1871 Census record for Thomas, b.1806, and details of his parents, if I can!
Am grateful for the replies so far, which have confirmed most of the information I already had, and also some new info!
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27-11-2021, 1:10 PM #7
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Hi
You may all have red the official report in case not
The list has at number 115
Thomas Sharples age 41, a Collier of 52 Parr Road, Parr, a single man whose father Thomas (number 135) was the oldest victim of the disaster at 73 years of age. His brother William and Thomas were also killed but are not on the official list.
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List number 135
Thomas Sharples age 73 years of Park Road, Parr, who was identified by James Sharples his two sons Thomas Junior number (115) and Thomas (unlisted) were also killed in the disaster Thomas was oldest casualty and a widow
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Number 8
Thomas Sharples, 22 years listed in the Press but only two were listed on the official list there are three Thomas Sharples listed in the Press, Thomas aged 73 living at Park Road but he lodged with James Sharples in Haydock, in the press he states he also lost a brother and his father.
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27-11-2021, 1:32 PM #8
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FMP burials (image/transcript)
Thomas Sharples, age 73, buried 15th Jun 1878 at St. Peter's (Parr), abode Parr
Thomas Sharples, age 41, buried 15th Jun 1878 at St. Peter's (Parr), abode Parr
Confirms newspaper report at #4. Yet to find a burial for a 22 yr old Thomas Sharples at that time."dyfal donc a dyr y garreg"
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27-11-2021, 2:28 PM #9
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Hi
Wondered if this may help
St Peter’s Parr, Burials
Grave purchased by James Sharples.
In one grave are listed below.
Thomas Sharples 7th June 1878 age 74 years
Thomas Sharples 7th June 1878 age 41
Emily Sharples 24th February 1879 age 19 Months
Martha Sharples 19th March 1883 age 59
Ann Waine 10th June 1900 age 37
James Northy 10th June 1900 age 3 months
Ashes, George Ashcroft.
Ashes, Jane Williams
Ed.
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27-11-2021, 3:59 PM #10I would like to know if Peter Sharples and his son, William
Birth reg.
OWEN, WILLIAM, MMN WOODCOCK
GRO Reference: 1865 S Quarter in WARRINGTON Volume 08C Page 113
See 1871 census at #3 where William is entered as William OWEN, I believe this to be his birth reg with mother's maiden name Woodcock, we know Peter Sharples wife's maiden name was Woodcock as on her marriage to Peter Sharples she names her father as WOODCOCK. Alice Owen's first husband, Peter Owen, didn't die until 1867.
Death registration
OWEN, PETER, age 50
GRO Reference: 1867 S Quarter in WARRINGTON Volume 08C Page 99
1861, Millfield Lane, RG 9; Piece: 2788; Folio: 108; Page: 16;
Peter Owen 43
Alice Owen 34
Margret Owen 5
Nancy Owen 3
Alice A Owen 1Alma
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