Thomas Cronin Father John

[toffeetower]

Hi,
Im looking for help re Thomas Cronin who married Minnie Watson,
On marrige cert for these 2 we have Thomas father as John Cronin,
Marriage was 13 April 1903, bootle st Leonards, birth year is 1876 for Thomas.

I also have 1911 census for Thomas in family home we know is connected to family,
Reg district 455, sub reg Crosby, ED institution vessel 02
Im trying to find information on Thomas's father!

I looked on GRO
for Thomas and found this
CRONIN, THOMAS mother's maiden name LANE
GRO Reference: 1874 S Quarter in OF CARDIFF Volume 11A Page 265

Im hoping for info re Thomas father please
Ive seen 2 census in wales for a Thomas with father not John but Daniel/Samuel with mother Phoebe.

Thanks

[Pam Downes]

Hi,
Im looking for help re Thomas Cronin who married Minnie Watson,
On marrige cert for these 2 we have Thomas father as John Cronin,
Marriage was 13 April 1903, bootle st Leonards, birth year is 1876 for Thomas.

I am going to be really pedantic, but sometimes making sure you use the correct terminology is important. e.g. saying birth when you mean baptism.
The marriage certificate says Thomas was 27.
That doesn't automatically mean he was born in 1876 - depends whether or not he'd already had his birthday that year.
And, as you may have found, our ancestors were not always that good at maths anyway.

I also have 1911 census for Thomas in family home we know is connected to family,
Reg district 455, sub reg Crosby, ED institution vessel 02

The 'reg district', etc, details are basically of no use whatsoever to anyone trying to find the family in 1911. What we really need is the census reference which begins RG14. The full reference looks something like this RG14PN16003 RG78PN1234 RD678 SD7 ED3 SN654 but all we need is RG14PN16003 SN654 which can also be written as RG14/16003 SN654.
At the very least we need the name of the place they're living, plus Thomas' age in the census, and his place of birth as given in that census. This is to make sure that the Thomas we find is the one you're referring to. (You'd be surprised how many people of the same name and approximate birth year can live within a few miles of each other. )

Im trying to find information on Thomas's father!

I looked on GRO
for Thomas and found this
CRONIN, THOMAS mother's maiden name LANE
GRO Reference: 1874 S Quarter in OF CARDIFF Volume 11A Page 265

As I said earlier, this year of birth registration doesn't fit with Thomas' given age at marriage in 1903, and nor have you said why you think this entry might be the correct one, e.g. on all of the census records for Thomas his birthplace says cardiff.

Im hoping for info re Thomas father please
Ive seen 2 census in wales for a Thomas with father not John but Daniel/Samuel with mother Phoebe.

Thanks

I appreciate that you don't want to write an essay, but sometimes more information is not only better but also essential. e.g. I've found a Thomas in 1881, aged 4, living in Llanfihangel, parents William and Mary, and again in 1901, still living with parents but in Tenby.

Giving those missing details - which you already know - saves our sleuths wasting awful lot of time when trying to help you.

Pam

[Pam Downes]

I assume this is Thomas and Minnie in 1911 living in Seaforth.
Census reference RG14/22301 SN23
Thomas Cronin, 34, coppersmith, born Cardiff
Minnie, wife, 26, LIverpool
Eleanor Washington (Cronin), daur, 7, Bootle
Thomas, son, 4, Seaforth
William, son, 3, Seaforth
and two of Minnie's sisters.

Currently having trouble finding him in 1901.

[toffeetower]

Apologies I'll fix all that for you!

[toffeetower]

I assume this is Thomas and Minnie in 1911 living in Seaforth.
Census reference RG14/22301 SN23
Thomas Cronin, 34, coppersmith, born Cardiff
Minnie, wife, 26, LIverpool
Eleanor Washington (Cronin), daur, 7, Bootle
Thomas, son, 4, Seaforth
William, son, 3, Seaforth
and two of Minnie's sisters.

Currently having trouble finding him in 1901.

Yes apologies this is the correct family

[toffeetower]

I thought with his age making him born in 1876 on marriage cert that maybe its out by 2 year's hence the GRO record! Also had a burial record for him kirkdale cem Liverpool 15th November 1920 making him born 1876 died aged 45!

[Pam Downes]

One question I should have asked was what was Thomas' father's occupation on the marriage certificate, and also what was Thomas'? On FMP you can search for occupations in the census.

[toffeetower]

I thought with his age making him born in 1876 on marriage cert that maybe its out by 2 year's hence the GRO record! Also had a burial record for him kirkdale cem Liverpool 15th November 1920 making him born 1876 died aged 45!

I also thought with 1911 census saying Thomas born in cardiff this matched with Thomas on GRO although dob was out by 3 years being 1877!

[toffeetower]

Thomas is a coppersmith and john who is deceased is a labourer

[almach]

There is a Thomas Cronin a coppersmith, born and living in Cardiff, father John a laboure on the 1901 census (Piece 4396 Folio 69 Page number 71) However, he's said to be born 1869.

Oops, sorry, that should be 1891 census