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    Getting closer....here's mention of a John Spicer being a 'visiting brother' to the Scarborough Lodge at Tobago in December 1875, under the heading Festival of St John the Evagelist (sic): https://ufdc.ufl.edu/AA00079373/00733/3x?search=spicer

    ADDED: And this one gives a LOT more detail - San Fernando Gazette 21 April 1888 about a ceremony to mark Captain John Spicer's fifty year association with Tobago
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    My find is nothing compared to yours Jomo. Now what is needed is perfect eyesight and a few spare hours.

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    Yours opened the door though, I'd have never found these otherwise. And the good news is, Ive also found a better way of searching & reading them: https://ufdc.ufl.edu/cndl

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    Re John the son, I haven't had chance to follow it through, but there is this in the Cornish Telegraph 31 Dec 1885:

    SPICER - RODDA - December 12 at the Baptist Church, Colombo, Ceylon, by the Rev A Lapham (Lasham?), John, son of Captain John Spicer, of Tobago, West Indies, to Helen Margaret (Nellie), 3rd daughter of Mr WJ Rodda, of Marazion, St. Leanords on Sea.

    Forgot to add, John Sr's ship was the Mary of London.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jomot1 View Post
    Re John the son, I haven't had chance to follow it through, but there is this in the Cornish Telegraph 31 Dec 1885:

    SPICER - RODDA - December 12 at the Baptist Church, Colombo, Ceylon, by the Rev A Lapham (Lasham?), John, son of Captain John Spicer, of Tobago, West Indies, to Helen Margaret (Nellie), 3rd daughter of Mr WJ Rodda, of Marazion, St. Leanords on Sea.

    Forgot to add, John Sr's ship was the Mary of London.
    Brilliant!!

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    ancestry made a mess of the transcription for the 1851 census and has Sarah Spicer's husband as Thomas Hancock not John and looking at the original image the Hancocks and Sussanah Major aren't even included in the same household but I put them on here to show why John and Sarah are not showing up in the index as expected. What alerted me to them was Limehouse in the Residence column of the index.
    1851 HO107 piece 1554 Folio 531 Page 5
    Randel Street Limehouse, Stepney
    Thomas Hancock 34
    Sushann N Hancock 34
    Thomas Hancock 5
    Lewis H Hancock 2
    Sushannah Major 69
    Sarah Spicer 43 Widow Lodging house keeper Farnham Surrey
    John Spicer 25 son Married Mariner, Kensington.
    Sarah Spicer 25 Wife born Shoreditch, Middlesex,
    Sarah Spicer 6 Months Limehouse.
    Robert Thomas 26 Lodger, Boilermaker
    John Hooper 36 Lodger Tailor

    So now we know John's father is also John, a poultry dealer, (on John's marriage image to Sarah in 1849, deceased) and his mother a Sarah like his wife.

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    There is a John Spicer in the 1841 census at Norton Folgate Liberty, Borough of Tower Hamlets, He is an apprentice however his age is given as 15 BUT he could actually be anywhere between 15 and 19 because those 15 and over should have their ages marked DOWN to the nearest five, in the 1841 census only. There is a bigger BUT thoiugh, it records him as not being born in the County of Middlesex.
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    I think I've found where William ended up - Texas!

    His baptism gives his DoB as 10 Oct 1852, and there is a 1932 Texas Death Certificate for a William M Spicer with the same DoB, born England, father John Spicer.

    ADDED: 1900 census says he emigrated in 1871

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    Ran out of time to add any more to the last post, but William is in the census in Texas from 1880 with wife Ella / Lou Ella (and variants of) nee Cayce, who according to the census he married in 1880.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jomot1 View Post
    I think I've found where William ended up - Texas!

    His baptism gives his DoB as 10 Oct 1852, and there is a 1932 Texas Death Certificate for a William M Spicer with the same DoB, born England, father John Spicer.

    ADDED: 1900 census says he emigrated in 1871
    Definitely looks like him, another good find. So if that is correct he can't be the father of Elvan born 1874 unless he sailed to the West Indies sometime 1871 - 1874
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