Carysforth Jeannot

[Squaredancer]

Spent 40 minutes typing birth certificates details in

It's a good idea, if you've got a long post to make, to write it in your word processor or notes program, and save it. Then you can copy and paste it into the forum, and if the worst happens you can always go back to your document and copy it again

[waynea]

It's a good idea, if you've got a long post to make, to write it in your word processor or notes program, and save it. Then you can copy and paste it into the forum, and if the worst happens you can always go back to your document and copy it again

Thank you. I have taken your advice and put it into a word document.

[waynea]

Meta Lucy Carysforth Birth Certificate
District Liverpool
Sub district Mount Pleasant
When and Where Born 16th May 1895, 36 Copperas Hill
Name if Any Meta Lucy
Sex Girl
Father Henry Carysforth
Name and Maiden Name of Mother Lucy Carysforth Formerly Jeannot, Deceased
Fathers Profession Wood Carver
Sig, Description & residence of Informer H Carysforth 36 Copperas Hill
Date Registered 17th June 1895
No Baptism Name entered

[waynea]

Rudolph Richard Sydney Carysforth Birth Certificate
District Aston Birmingham
Sub District Deritend
When and Where Born 2nd June 1894, 140 White Road (WSD)
Name If Any Rudolph Richard Sydney
Sex Boy
Father Henry Richard Carysforth
Name & Maiden surname of Mother Lucy Ernestirie (may be Ernesterie) Formerly Jannot
Profession of Father Wood Carver
Signature, Description and Residence of Informant L E Carysforth, Mother, 140 White Road Aston
When Registered 12th July 1894
No Baptism name entered

[waynea]

I notice that Lucy Carysforth has written her middle name as Ernesterie in Rudolph's birth certificate as she registered it.
Then in Meta Lucy he puts his private address as Copperas hill as Meta's place of birth and not the workhouse.
There are differences in spelling between the 2 but i have put it as it appears on the certificates. The Ernesterie name Lucy entered has been slightly overwritten by the Y in Lucy so hard to see if it is Ernesterie or Ernestirie

[Jomot1]

Good to have confirmation of where Lucy's middle name came from.

Unfortunately I can't find 140 White Road in either 1891 or 1901 - it doesn't go that high?? There are things like 14 Court, which might have been written as 14C & maybe look like 140?

[christanel]

I notice that Lucy Carysforth has written her middle name as Ernesterie in Rudolph's birth certificate as she registered it.
Then in Meta Lucy he puts his private address as Copperas hill as Meta's place of birth and not the workhouse.
There are differences in spelling between the 2 but i have put it as it appears on the certificates. The Ernesterie name Lucy entered has been slightly overwritten by the Y in Lucy so hard to see if it is Ernesterie or Ernestirie

It looks as if Lucy gave birth at home to Meta and then was admitted to the hospital attached to the workhouse because of complications of the birth.
Apart from now knowing that Lucy herself gave her name as Ernesterie we aren't any further ahead with finding out Henry's origins. I did try searching for quite a while yesterday but absolutely nothing for him that we haven't found already.
It is so frustrating when an ancestor covers their tracks so well. I wonder if the 1921 census will be of any help with his birth place when it is released.
Christina

[Jomot1]

When and Where Born 16th May 1895, 36 Copperas Hill
Name if Any Meta Lucy

Per post #24, Lucy was admitted to the workhouse on 29 May 1895 and died the next day. The address given was 26 Copperas Hill

[waynea]

Thank you Both. I have gone through the whole post over the weekend and as Jomot and Christanel have said, Meta Lucy was born at home. Adding weight to christanels advice that family passed down stories sometimes err in the truth. At least the fact that Grandma Meta (cissy) was born at home and her mother Lucy dies 13 days later. Not the next day or so as the family story told. It is a shame that my father passed away a year and a half ago as even this small piece of information would of been a big thing for him.

[pat fowles]

Lucy was buried in Liverpool Cemetery on 3rd June 1895. Age 28yrs. Roman Catholic Ground. Public Grave 1319.