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    Question Murray from a torn newspaper clip

    Folks,
    This is my first post to the BG Forum, so here goes.
    Would I be correct in saying I cannot attach something eg photograph - despite the 'Add Image box appearing, but no way of browsing to eg my Desktop for the image...?
    Assuming that is the case - the query I have requires both the original torn newspaper and my transcript being viewed by you specialists; is their either a way to attach on this forum, or indeed where would I send my query, to allow someone to identify some or all of the following:
    The Newspaper,
    The Date,
    The Person,
    The Regiment,
    Which World War am I talking about.
    I noticed the chap is holding a stick under his arm, which I think denotes, some sort of rank - like Mr Mainwaring in Dad's Army - which rank.
    A number of these answers would come from simply locating the newspaper, but as you can see, I don't know which year it came from; so that's a dead end for now, hence trying to narrow down things via the words and picture.
    My transcript has attempted to add in the words which have disappeared on the torn section.
    The only information which would give someone with Army history knowledge is:
    'Colonel Bower joins with...'
    '... 2870, 1/7th Gordon...'
    '...buried in a little French cemetery...'
    '... a cross has been erected over the grave, which has been carefully located and scheduled...'.
    The last line records:
    '... member of the Earl of Errol Lodge of Oddfellows.'
    I believe someone with a keen eye, will be able to clarify the cap decal, the collar marks, the tunic and the stick, in order to point me in the right direction.
    Appreciate your help and advice.
    Cheers,
    Ray

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    First of all, welcome to the British Genealogy Forum.
    Christanel, one of the other Mods, wrote a set of instructions for posting pictures, which you can find HERE. The system does get indigestion if the file is very large.
    It sounds as though you don't know the man's name? A search of the CWGC database might help, unless it is something very common.

    Oddly, I have run a newspaper search on the Oddfellows phrase, and there is no mention of the organisation after 1912. Obviously your paper may not yet have been included in the database, otherwise are you sure it's a World War clip?

    Looking through the brief meeting reports, I see that they were based in Cruden Bay, began in 1895, met regularly, and in 1902 had 206 members. Unfortunately, they only mention the names of club officials. They had regular concerts and other meetings.

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    Hi Lesley

    The Oddfellows are still going, I have a friend who is a member.

    Keith

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    There is a W.Murray. 1/7 Gordon Highlanders. Died 18 September 1915, age 21.

    https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/fi...40/W%20MURRAY/

    Swagger Stick were carried by other Ranks and you see them in a lot of WW1photos.

    Keith

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    Hi Keith. I know the Oddfellows are still going, but inevitably individual Lodges come and go. Since it's a scrap of newsprint that's being queried, I was hoping that the phrase would turn up in the Newspaper Archive.

    I think that the man you mentioned in #4 is correct - the service number 2870 matches as well! Well done!
    His father was William Murray of Stonehaven.

    There's a bit more information in the "Soldiers who died" database. Born in Montrose, forename William, enlisted Stonehaven

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    Which World War am I talking about
    If this is him, you can perhaps narrow it down to WW1

    https://discovery.nationalarchives.g...ils/r/D1421895

    I'm busy now but there does seem to be mention of him in newspapers.
    Alma

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    Quote Originally Posted by almach View Post
    If this is him, you can perhaps narrow it down to WW1

    https://discovery.nationalarchives.g...ils/r/D1421895

    I'm busy now but there does seem to be mention of him in newspapers.
    Ignore the above; I have now read your post again and, I think, digested correctly who is your person of interest which seems to be this guy whose service number matches what you have?

    https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/fi...40/W%20MURRAY/
    Alma

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    The link goes to CWGC but not to any record.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squaredancer View Post
    The link goes to CWGC but not to any record.
    He's easy to find (WW1) using MURRAY as surname and 2870 for service number
    Alma

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    Have a look at #5..

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