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    1881, 7, Lamb Court, St Augustine, Bristol, RG11; Piece: 2478; Folio: 69; Page: 5;
    Mary Morse, 73, Bristol
    George Morse 50, Bristol
    Elizath. Morse 45, Henbury, Gloucestershire
    Jas. Geo. Morse 22, widower, Bristol
    Ellen Ada Morse 11, Bristol
    Florence Morse 9, Bristol
    Lilly Gardiner 4, grand dau, Bristol
    Lilly Moxham 4, grand dau, Bristol

    MOXHAM, LILY GERTRUDE (no mother's maiden name listed which usually means an illegitimate birth) -
    GRO Reference: 1876 J Quarter in BRISTOL Volume 06A Page 15

    Marriage St Peters Clifton Wood, March 26th 1899
    James Dursley, 26, labourer, 48 Brandon Buildings, father Charles Dursley, deceased
    Lilly Gertrude Mosham or Moxham (unclear) Morse, 22, 12, Jacobs Wells Buildings, father George Morse, deceased.
    Lilly's signature certainly looks like MOXHAM.
    Witnesses Florence and Arthur Russell.

    1901, 38 Jacobs Wells Road Brandon Buildings. RG13; Piece: 2366; Folio: 102; Page: 12
    Auther [sic] Russell 39, boot and shoe maker, Ross Herefordshire.
    Florence J Russell 28. Bristol
    Arthur T Russell 9, Clifton
    Florence Russell 5, Clifton
    Elizabeth Morse 65, visitor, Henbury Gloucestershire

    Elizabeth must be the same Elizabeth in the 1881 census above, and Florence her dau.

    Marriage St Augustine the Less, Bristol, 24 May 1890.
    Arthur Russell, 27, bachelor, shoemaker, ??????? Court, father Thomas Russell a sawyer.
    Florence Jane Morse, 19, spinster, servant, Pipe Lane, father George Morse mason.
    Witnesses Eliza Gardner and John Lewis.
    Note* there's a Lilly Gardiner grandchild on the 1881 census.

    Ellen Ada Morse married Frederick George Farler St Augustine the Less, Bristol, 20 Dec 1882
    The witnesses were James and Eliza Gardner (those names again)

    I think Ellen Ada's age in 1881 should be 17.

    MORSE, ELLEN ADA, Mother's maiden name BRYAN
    GRO Reference: 1864 M Quarter in BRISTOL Volume 06A Page 68
    Alma

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    I'm yet to work out how Lily Gertrude Moxham is a grandchild to George and Elizabeth Morse.

    The only way to know who Lily Gertrude's mother is is to buy the birth certificate.

    Ah, think I've worked it out, back in a mo.
    Alma

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    Marriage St Augustine the Less, Bristol, 18 Apr 1880
    James George Elson Morse, bachelor, labourer, Pipe Lane, father George Elson Morse a marble mason
    Fanny Moxham, 24, spinster, Pipe Lane, father Thomas Moxham a mason
    witnesses James and Eliza Gardner

    James G MOrse in 1881 says he's a widower.

    Deaths Dec 1880, MORSE Fanny, age 25 Bristol 6a 40
    Alma

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntonyMMM View Post
    I'm not aware that ANY birth, marriage or death records were lost through bombing in WW2 in any district. Even if they were lost locally, the copies sent to GRO every quarter would have survived.

    Either she wasn't registered at all, or there is another explanation ....not their child, adopted etc.
    Thank you for that information, Antony.
    Though thinking logically the only records likely to have been completely lost through bombing would have been those for the current quarter, plus depending how 'new' the current quarter was and therefore whether there had been time to send the previous quarter's returns to the GRO, those of the previous quarter. But that wouldn't have applied in this case because we're talking about records ten years prior to WW1 and thirty-five to WW2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by almach View Post
    In 1901 Ancestry has transcribed the family as Daisley and to be fair the original sheet is difficult to read. It doesn't though, help in finding Grace.

    They are at 34, College St. RG13; Piece: 2372; Folio: 106; Page: 10

    James Daisley 27, general labourer, St Phillips Bristol
    Lily Daisley 24, St Augustine Bristol
    James Daisley 1, St Augustine Bristol
    Lily Daisley 3/12, St Augustine Bristol
    Correctly transcribed as Dursley on FMP, but found only by using basic search terms. i.e. James Dursley, born 1899 +/- 1 year, or 1900 +/- 1 year. If you enter Bristol as a birthplace you get no results.
    It doesn't help that Lilian is listed as LIly on the census, which means that you have to search for her using variants of that name.
    And don't get me started on searching by entering the piece. folio, and page numbers. That simply doesn't work. I've tried it on a couple of my own family census references with similar results, so FMP will be getting yet another complaint from 'Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells'.

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    And don't get me started on searching by entering the piece. folio, and page numbers. That simply doesn't work.
    Pam, I've found them on FMP using only Piece: 2372; Folio: 106; Page: 10
    Alma

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    Quote Originally Posted by almach View Post
    Pam, I've found them on FMP using only Piece: 2372; Folio: 106; Page: 10
    Hi Alma,
    Putting on my techie hat (as if I know anything about techie stuff in the first place!!!) what browser are you using? I'm using Firefox via Linux, and when I try putting in the those numbers I get 6,478 results with just the piece number but the minute I enter the folio number it changes to no results. However, in trying it again I have found that if I type the 106 in slowly it shows 201 results if I stop at 10, and the Dursleys are in those results but that's not the way it's supposed to work.

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    Hi Pam,

    I'm using Google Chrome and it worked exactly as it should. I'll try my Firefox and get back to you.
    Alma

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    No problem using Firefox, Pam.
    Alma

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    Quote Originally Posted by almach View Post
    No problem using Firefox, Pam.
    Thanks Alma.
    Must be because I've got the Linux system on my computer rather than Microsoft/Windows 10 though I can't recall any problems initially.
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