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Samuel John FRANCIS, mmn TEMBY
GRO Reference 1862 June Quarter in REDRUTH Vol 5C Page 275
Still not finding a birth reg for James A using all the tricks I can think of.
Christina
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03-06-2021, 8:54 PM #11Sometimes paranoia is just having all the facts.
William Burroughs
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03-06-2021, 9:02 PM #12
Definitely more accurate but I still can't find a birth registration for him.
This is not unusual because from 1837 to 1874? it was not a legally binding requirement for them to be registered by the parents and fines for not doing so were only introduced in 1874 but it does seem a little off kilter that Joseph and Elizabeth wouldn't have registered James when they did register the older children.
Cyndi's List is a good site which gives you links to both free and pay sites https://www.cyndislist.com/
Click on Categories on the left then 'U' for United Kingdom and Ireland
ChristinaSometimes paranoia is just having all the facts.
William Burroughs
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03-06-2021, 9:29 PM #13
1861 RG9 Piece 1580 Folio 123 Page 18
East Turnpike Redruth
Samuel Francis 46 Copper miner Redruth
Mary Ann Francis 43 Redruth
Joseph Francis 21 copper miner Gwennap,
John Francis 18 copper miner Gwennap,
Elizabeth Francis 15 Mine girl. St Agnes
James Francis 13 Mason? Gwennap,
Samuel Francis 10 scholar Gwennap,
Thomas Francis 7 Gwennap,
Mary Ann Francis 5 Gwennap,
Eliza Francis 2 Gwennap,
1851 HO107 Piece 1914 Folio 102 Page 11
Treskerby Redruth
Samuel Francis 36 copper miner born Redruth
Mary Ann Francis 33 Redruth
Joseph Francis 11 Redruth
John Francis 8 Gwenapp
Elizabeth Francis 5 St Agnes
James Francis 3 Gwennap
Samuel Francis 7 Months Gwennap
1841 HO107 Piece 137 Book 7 Folio 47 Page 8
Gwennap With St Day
Sam Francis 25 Copper miner
Mary Francis 22
Joseph Francis 1
All born in county
Marriage
Samuel Francis
Marriage Date 7 September 1839
Marriage Place - St. Day, Cornwall, England
Spouse - Mary Ann Vivian
FHL Film Number - 1595485
You should be able to find this marriage on the familysearch.org site which is also free and a great resource. You can also search for the censuses but if on there will only have a transcript, not the original document.
Samuel Francis
Baptism - 11 September 1814
Baptism Place - Redruth, Cornwall, England
Father - Joseph Francis
Mother - Mary
FHL Film Number - 916958, 916960
ChristinaSometimes paranoia is just having all the facts.
William Burroughs
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04-06-2021, 1:16 AM #14
In this Rhode Island 1915 census James has knocked some years off his age and is claiming to be born in Nova Scotia!
Woonsocket Ward 3, Providence
James Francis 43 born Nova Scotia, mother and father born Nova Scotia, occupation Teamster for a private family,
Mabel Francis 25 born USA Parents born USA
George Francis 9 born Nova Scotia
James Francis 1 born USA, father born Nova Scotia, mother born USA
ChristinaSometimes paranoia is just having all the facts.
William Burroughs
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04-06-2021, 9:07 AM #15
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Thanks Christanel for posting all that saved me doing it. I found the same as you but had to go out so couldn't post it.
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04-06-2021, 9:23 AM #16
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FS have another James A Francis in Boulder Colorado. He married an Eliza J Todd in 1896 and the couple can be found in various censuses. Born England 1869. Died in Boulder 1931.
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04-06-2021, 2:56 PM #17
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Thank you, again! I have previously seen this. I realized it was not accurate. Mabel would have been 28 in 1915 and, of course, James would have been 47 This was the only instance I have seen where his origins were attributed to Canada. Many of the records I found for George indicate his place of birth was New York (although even he didn't know where, in the state of New York, he ws born). I have to wonder if the census worker made a mistake? I found it interesting that the children's (George and James) ages were accurate. I have to wonder why they gave false information. I've found a lot of misinformation out there on this couple. It's made researching them quite frustrating, at times.
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04-06-2021, 3:18 PM #18
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I have found other references for James Francis in and around that time/place. I found one in the records of the LDS (Latter Day Saints) church records that show a James Francis, son of Joseph and Hattie Davis (not the only time that name has come up), marrying a Mormon woman - Margaret Ann Brown - in 1880. They had two children - Albert (b.1881) and Pearl (b. 1883). The birth place for those children was given as St. Charles, Idaho (just over the state line from Utah). After that, there were no further records connecting James to this family. She later re-married. My thought was that he had abandoned this family and went east to Rhode Island. It was, perhaps, the reason he and Mabel never legally married... if that James was my grandfather.
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